Thread:Support/About MediaWiki:Visualeditor-tooltip-help/fi/reply (2)

Hello, and sorry for the delay in responding.

This particular message is no longer current in the code (the entire demo was re-written, and no-one would want to deploy the old version of the code), so there is no need any more to bother translating this message (or some of the others). How can I make this clear to avoid wasting translators' time?

On the wider point, if you [//mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor:Test look at the interface now], we do not use the word "Toggle" in tool tips - instead they are mostly simple adjectives or nouns (e.g. "Bold" or "Numbered list"). I'm not sure that this is better for translation purposes. :-) We can add alternative tool-tips for set- and unset-states if that's needed for bold, italics etc., but some of the buttons ( [edit: are not toggles at all, but instead] ) have very complex interaction patterns. For example, the bulleted list button either: This behaviour is very complicated to describe usefully in a short amount of text, but is 'standard' for these kind of interfaces (and should be what most users who have used computer text input systems before expect). Is there something we in the VisualEditor team could do to make it easier for translators, and for our users, in this regard?
 * Takes the current normal text and makes it a bulleted list (or, if selected multiple paragraphs, each of them)
 * Takes the current bulleted list that this list item is in and makes all of it normal text (or, if selected multiple list items, just each of items in the list; if selected in a bulleted list with nested lists inside it, flattening all of it into plain text)
 * Takes the current numbered list that this list item is in and makes all of it a bulleted list (or, if selected multiple list items, just each of items in the list; if selected in a bulleted list with nested lists inside it, changing the top-most list to be a numbered one)