Hi, I am interested in developing a Nias version of Wikipedia that is currently in Incubator.
>> ISO 639-3: nia >> Language name: Nias (English), Li Niha (Nias) >> Writing system: Latin with some accented letters, written LTR
Nias is spoken in the island of Nias off Sumatra coast in Indonesia by about 1 million people. It has been studied extensively by linguists for its unique phonological inventory.
I've been working on TheWikipediaLibrary Card Platform https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/ for some time now, and I think we have the codebase in a place where it's ready for localization.
Since this project is a Django app, which has some nice tooling around gnu gettext, we decided to bake our message documentation into our code comments and let gettext add it to the qqq po file. https://github.com/WikipediaLibrary/TWLight/blob/master/locale/qqq/LC_MESSAGES/django.po
Adding new message translations:
In addition to adding new translation files, the universe of available languages in the user preferences should be expanded by updating the LANGUAGES variable in our base settings. https://github.com/WikipediaLibrary/TWLight/blob/master/TWLight/settings/base.py A nightly build script pulls the latest changes from master and applies them so long as the changes don't fail the unit tests.
This app has content that lives in the database. That content is comprised of fairly large blobs of text that are not visible to Translatewiki via the code repo. We're on the hook for translation of that content, but I don't really see a good way around that. We do have some folks internal to our project willing and able to expand translation for that content. That's how we got the Finnish and French that we currently have in place.
You need more space for the login button. Finnish text is truncated.
> In addition to adding new translation files, the universe of available languages in the user preferences should be expanded by updating the LANGUAGES
Can you do that? We have no support for such automation (nor even manual process) right now.
Please consider using https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.uls for language selection, or at least take the language names from https://github.com/wikimedia/language-data or CLDR. We don't want language names translated here again and again for different projects.
Also, is there a reason you are using the non-standard code
iw for Hebrew instead of the standard one
No idea why iw code was chosen, but I can see that there are no actual message strings for that translation file, so I just removed that one. I fixed the login button as well.
Very belated update: I've reworked the way we're setting the available languages so that Django is checking for the translation directories on startup. We restart the app every time we pull from the repo, so that should make for a nice automated workflow for adding new translations. Django doesn't support all of the languages listed at https://github.com/wikimedia/language-data (although we're definitely in the triple digits), so I added code to use the intersection of Django and wikimedia language codes and the autonyms from the wikimedia language data instead of English language names. I've significantly updated our database configuration so that the content that lives in the db can be localized across the entire intersection of languages without the app falling over from db column and index limitations.
What does happen when Django doesn't support a language? Do we need to add a blacklist/whitelist on our side?
The rest sounds good. Should we start checking about enabling this project on translatewiki.net?
On its own, Django was falling over dead (500) when it encountered an unknown language code. I've configured our app to just ignore unknown languages. We should probably do a whitelist so that volunteers don't work on translations that aren't provided to users. That data structure currently lives as a python dict, so I could have the platform provide it as a JSON, CSV, or something similar. Other than ironing this detail out, I think we're about ready to go.
Looks like our actual supported language count is 83. I was doing quick glances before and was apparently including keys and values in the count. Here's the json whitelist which is computed from the live site. https://wikipedialibrary.wmflabs.org/i18n-whitelist
We don't do merges. It requires knowledge of all the languages.
Even if the messages are completely duplicate and were used for the exact same purpose? I could od it by hand, but I thought some admin tool for this is set up.
Could you at least abandon/invalid the merged message in order not to get new translations (as it is not used anywhere)?
[MediaWiki:Apihelp-bs-recentchanges-store-summary] separate 'recentchanges' in the original english text
Hello. On the ProofreadPage extension I submitted a change to create 5 new system messages, named "MediaWiki:Proofreadpage qualityX summary" where X = 0, 1, 2, 3, 4. The meaning of these new messages is similar to the old "MediaWiki:Proofreadpage qualityX category" messages, so most sites will want to reuse the same message, however some languages need a separate message so they can provide a better translation.
Before we release that change, is it possibile to mass-copy the old "category" messages into the new "summary" messages? And, can the new messages be marked as being "in need of review", so that translators will notice them and change them if needed?
Thank you very much.
If the new messages have a different meaning, we don't generally move the old translations. You can copy the existing translations directly in the code. Traditionally people add "!FUZZY!" at the beginning of the text to indicate that the translations should be reviewed.
I think we should recruit a Russian speaker to vet all Russian translators (and follow their activities after approval in case one gets through). I don't want to disable sign-ups for that language completely. How bad is the situation right now?
Is it possible designate proofreaders for a particular project, such that specific users must accept translations before they get pushed to github? I can't seem to find functionality like this, and I imagine it might be antithetical to translatewiki's principles, but I figured I'd ask.
Also, is it possible to exclude particular locales for a project? Let's say my project wanted translations for any given locale *except* es-MX.
It's possible to add, map or blacklist locales for specific projects. We don't generally add country-specific locales like es-MX or it-IT.
Translate provides quality assurance features including a translation review. It was initially restricted to a select group of editors but in the end there was no use for the distinction and now all translators are automatically allowed to review each other's translations. Usually, any disagreement is quickly resolved simply by explaining your reasons: on a wiki it's easy to determine who did what and to contact them.
So our suggestion is to give it a try and avoid overthinking things beforehand. Solutions can be found if any real problem arises, but for now an approval system is a solution in search of a problem.
Nemo said it well. I would like to add that there are some cleanups on going which language tags are enabled generally and which are not.
Thanks! Can you link to the page where I can blacklist a locale for a specific project? I help manage iNaturalist.
Regarding approval, the problem is that we have country-specific portals into our platform with groups that manage them, and sometimes those groups want approval control over translations to ensure their users see consistent use of language on their portals, and they get frustrated when they translate a string one way and some other translatewiki user comes along and changes it. They don't want to have to engage in the kind of constant negotiation process you're suggesting, they just want to translate it once and lock it down. For example, I think our Mexican partners have had to re-translate switches from "Tú" to "Usted" numerous times and they're tired of it. From what you're saying, it sounds like locking things down is impossible on translatewiki, which is fine, but I just wanted to describe the problem such a feature would solve. Whether or not it is a problem is pretty subjective, but from the perspective of these particular people, it is a problem.
Same question as the user below, is it possible to rename to
Stjn? Thanks in advance.
Is it possible to change my Username Patio to the one I use everywhere else: KlaasZ4usV ? Thanks in advance!
To translate English into Meetei language written in Meetei Mayek.. and to make Wikipedia page which can be read and write in Meetei Mayek'