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Change Southern Balochi Native Name

Hi to Adminstratin I am one of Balochi Academy Sarbaz Admins We have been working on Balochi Language that oue most work on Southern Balochi. We want to Change Southern Balochi(bcc) native name to کݔچی(بلۏچی) thank you.

S I E Z A/SK7 09:04, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

S I E Z A/SK709:04, 28 July 2019

Is Hive.js deprecated?

Hi folks, it looks like Hive.js has been retired as a project. The domain is dormant and the source code repository hasn't received an update in months. It may be advisable to mark it as such on tw.net as you have with previous projects here that are now (sadly!) defunct.

Yannis A |23:42, 19 July 2019

You are right. Worse, the domain was squatted.

Nemo (talk)08:42, 20 July 2019
 

Relatedly I filed https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T228072 a while ago.

I reached out to the contact person and they confirmed that it is now defunct.

Nike (talk)20:13, 20 July 2019

I have dropped hivejs from translation, and noted this in News.

TODO: Someone should update the project page and associated user templates.

Nike (talk)10:31, 21 July 2019

Done. Updated the project page, and the associated user template.

Niklas has also documented on what needs to be done as part of the project deprecation process - https://translatewiki.net/wiki/How_to_drop_a_project

Abijeet Patro (talk)03:26, 25 July 2019
 
 
 

URL should be capitalized in this message.

Siebrand08:04, 17 July 2019

Submitted a ticket on Phab - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T228631

Regards,

Abijeet Patro (talk)03:23, 25 July 2019
 

Template:Disabled language

Wondering whether I could get a second opinion at Template talk:Disabled language. I feel like the warning given by that template is unnecessarily vague and could be improved with a little more information (additional text) and/or a few choice links (or maybe just a retargeting of the existing link??). Alternatively, the template could be split into different ones based on the underlying reasons for tagging. Note that I am not a translator here for any language, so perhaps those who are (or who are in the process of becoming one) would have a different experience. I just feel like the catch-all nature of the warning given by that template leaves readers with no useful clues as to why the page has been so tagged. (For example, Portal:tlh, Portal:chb and Portal:szy have all been tagged, but presumably for very different reasons. [I assume Klingon will never be enabled here, but surely that cannot be true of the other two.]) Note, BTW, that the template is used on both portal and category pages. Not surprisingly, the creator and sole editor of the template sees nothing wrong with it. Perhaps others will disagree.

dcljr (talk)23:31, 17 July 2019

I just took existing sentences I found on some pages. But the only link found was to the page currently indicated. If you want to suggest other links, please do so.

I can only suggest for now adding a "reason=*" to the template for a freeform text (that will not be translated by the template), including the possibility to integrate a wikilink to some decision page describing the issues.

Also you affirmed (in a prior talk) that the message was only in English, and this is wrong: it's shown in over 60 languages, plus some known fallbacks from other regional languages or from variants that are user selectable in the Universal Language Selector. The text in all of them is the same, based on the same English source.

Also I suggested you to fix possible typos or imprecision that may exist in some translations. But before adding things in a specific language, make sure that the English base is in sync wit the proposed additions.

All I did was to mark explicitly the languages that are NOT selectable in the Translation tool (following any link using these language codes will not work, because the translation tool will immediatzly switch to another unrelated language (based on the current user's UI language and not at all on the indicated target language), and new translators may not notice it (there's no notification on the screen, the only thing being indicated is the name of the effectively selected language in the top-right corner) and they could start overwriting valid translations for that unrelated language by translations in a disabled language. This was the main reason for which I made these indications explicit.

Verdy p (talk)00:14, 18 July 2019
 

Klingon probably won't be enabled, and this was discussed many times.

Sakizaya will probably be enabled. It's a technical matter now. The best place for discussing it is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T174601

As for Chibcha, it's the first time I'm hearing about it, but it is unlikely to be enabled given what the Wikipedia article about it says (extinct circa 1800). I'm flexible about sincere and serious language revitalization projects. I'm not quite sure why was it ever added to translatewiki.

The Sakizaya case is the most confusing here, of course. The template on the portal looks very fatal, and it's not quite the case. It should be rephrased for clarity, probably with something like a "status" or "reason" parameter.

Also, its translations should really be moved to a proper localization system, like translatewiki.net or something ;)

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)10:00, 23 July 2019

"Its translation should be moved to ... translatewiki.net".... We are on translatewiki.net !

Translatewiki.net is not required to support only Wikimedia projects, it can support Wikia, where Klingon is accepted (but it uses a script that is not encoded in Unicode, only encoded in ISO 15924. The proposal to encode the Klingon script was made by Michael Everson at Unicode, and as it was rejected, Klingon is for now encoded in PUA space using the "ConScript PUA registry"... managed by Michael Everson which supports more languages than what ISO/IEC WG2 or the UTC want to support.

It was rejected simply on the fact that most Klingon users wrote it in the Latin script (but with several variants or transliterations, not always the one promoted by KLI, notably some users prefer using extended latin which more accurately represent the sounds, like c with hacek, small capital i, or l barred with curl, and then allow the script to be romanized with common dual casing, which makes it more readable).

There's nothing wrong in translating MediaWiki in Klingon even if there's no Wikimedia project for it. But Wikimedia wiki do not want to support languages written in scripts requiring the use of PUAs (nomally intended to be for private use, and then limited in scope to specific projects using it in their own community).

Also I'm not adding any new language, I'm just sorting what is existing on this wiki, and then display a correct status.

Verdy p (talk)10:10, 23 July 2019
 
 

In January 2019, SIL gave Sakizaya the language code "szy", as noted at m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Sakizaya#January 2019 update. Shortly afterwards, I created Portal:szy here because I thought that would be helpful. However, the language was already being translated here under the code "ais". In the meantime, incubator:Wp/ais was moved to incubator:Wp/szy. I posted about this at Thread:Portal talk:Ais/Should be at Portal:Szy, but I guess "no one noticed". Yesterday, Portal:szy was tagged with {{Disabled language}}, apparently because it had no active translators (they are listed at Portal:Ais).

So, now I am "formally requesting" that everything on this wiki currently under "ais" be moved to "szy". (I'm not sure what all is involved in doing that.)

(Note that I do not know the language; I'm just interested in seeing everything get "in sync" after the designation of the "szy" code. Pinging @StevenJ81 and Liuxinyu970226: as they may have further information and/or an opinion they want to express about this change.)

dcljr (talk)00:59, 17 July 2019
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Last edit: 00:09, 19 July 2019

Note that some stuff under "szy" (Sakizaya) may actually belong under "ami" (Amis), as discussed at m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Sakizaya#January 2019 update. I guess this complicates the issue and means that things cannot simply be moved wholesale, as I suggested. But "ais" has been deprecated, so clearly something needs to be done here. I will leave it to others to determine what that is.

Note that we currently have no translators listed at Portal:szy and that language has not been enabled for translation, but at least one of the translators listed at Portal:ais appears to be among the users asking for a Sakizaya Wikipedia, so maybe they can help? (I've notified a few such users about this thread.)

Also note phab:T174601, which is discussing the same issue from a different perspective (Wikimedia wiki configuration).


Edit: As pointed out by StevenJ81 below, I actually meant to say: "Note that some stuff under 'ais'… may actually belong under 'ami'". Sorry for any confusion this may have caused.

dcljr (talk)01:39, 18 July 2019

Hi @Dcljr: I'm sure there are no stuff or content under "szy" belong under "ami". So how can we do to move all translations listed at Portal:ais to Portal:szy? We thought it would be moved just like the case with incubator:Wp/ais to incubator:Wp/szy. @Amire80: @StevenJ81: Is it possible to fix this problem? If negative, should we improve the portal one by one manually? Corainn (talk) 08:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Corainn (talk)08:37, 18 July 2019

Look, it just sometimes takes time to sort some of these things out. I wouldn't worry a lot. @Corainn, if you are quite sure that nothing currently within language ais is actually Amis, then we could outright move everything from ais to szy. Otherwise, the thing to do is to copy everything from ais to szy, and worry about the disposition of ais later.

@Amire80, I can assure you that (a) szy is appropriate for Sakizaya, (b) pretty much everything that had been put previously into ais is really Sakizaya (I'll find the rather robust discussion history if you like), and (c) ais for "Nataoran" has been deprecated in favor of including Nataoran within the rest of Amis (ami). So please help us move this along. Thanks.

StevenJ81 (talk)13:49, 18 July 2019

@StevenJ81: Great to hear that and thanks for the reply! Yes, there are no overlaps between amis and szy(ais), I‘m very sure. If something could be done by our side, please let me know.

Corainn (talk)22:02, 18 July 2019

@Amire80 is working on this at Phabricator now. See phab:T174601.

StevenJ81 (talk)14:03, 22 July 2019
 
 
 
 
 

New language request for Min Bei Chinese (mnp).

Please add support for the Min Bei Chinese language.

Language name Language code Native language name
Min Bei Chinese mnp Mâing-bă̤-ngṳ̌/閩北語

Please add this language to Special:SupportedLanguages.

Please add Portal:Mnp to Category:Languages, and please let the first line of the page Portal:Mnp show correctly, like this:

mnp: Min Bei Chinese, Mâing-bă̤-ngṳ̌/閩北語

---

Also, in incubator, please let the babel box of Category:Users:By_language:mnp display correctly.

Yejianfei (talk)12:39, 14 February 2019

What is the *prefered* Han variant: Hans or Hant ? Check the portal to make sure they are ordered by preference.

Note: the "disabled" status in the portal reflects the current state (to avoid linking to a non-open translation tool), it's not meant to block the activation of the language, if the site administrator accepts it. Just Removing the "disabled" state will still not activate the language in the translation tool.

But please specify which Han variant you intend to support (it cannot be guessed from the current Wikipedia Incubator that currently uses Latin viaibly preferably to Latin, then uses an unspecified Han variant, possibly both are mixed there).

For questions related to Babelboxes in the Incubator, this site is not the place to go, because Babelbox messages are translated inside Mediawiki itself: contact the Incubator admins to see what they can do for you.

Verdy p (talk)10:43, 22 July 2019
 

"$2 edits to Articles for deletion pages" Is it "[Articles for deletion] pages" or "Articles for [deletion pages]"?

Urhixidur (talk)11:12, 14 July 2019

Hello Urhixidur,

I spoke to Niklas, and we are confident that its the first one but have opened a support ticket to clarify it further.

Regards,

Abijeet Patro (talk)09:03, 15 July 2019

Hi Urhixidur,

Please see the response here - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T228018#5333416

Abijeet Patro (talk)09:46, 22 July 2019
 
 

Please delete MediaWiki:Centralauth-logout-progress/ka

https://translatewiki.net/wiki/MediaWiki:Centralauth-logout-progress/ka is obviously not Georgian but English. Could someone please delete that page?

AKlapper (talk)18:06, 6 July 2019

Done.

Regards,

Abijeet Patro (talk)11:10, 7 July 2019
 

Couldn't you just provide the actual Georgian translation instead of deleting (which will still have the effect to display the message in another fallback language, may be in Russian on some wikis that have such fallback, but most often in English ! There's nothing wrong in fact if there are some messages untranslated still in English (or partly in English). On Translatewiki.net (or other wikis using the translate extension), this is sometimes a transitory step, just allowing to initialize a set of pages with working links, before the whole set gets translated, without breaking things.

If you detect an English message that you want others to translate, the best thing to do is to just insert a "!!FUZZY!!" prefix before it, so that the message remains marked as needing an actual translation. You never need to delete that page, and this preserves its history.

I am convinced that this "!!FUZZY!!" prefix should be autodetected by the Translate tool, not even being displayed in the editable form when it is at start of a message, but replaced by a "yellow notification" displayed at top, and by a checkbox "mark this message as fuzzy" near the Save button. Internally the page will contain the edited message (even partly translated) but the "!!FUZZY!!" prefix will still be there: you can still continue editing it (in several steps), but as long as you don't uncheck that checkbox, saving it will still not change that status and it will be impossible to "validate" that message. A validator however can look at "!!FUZZY!!" messages and accept its content without having to do any editing, he will just unckeck that box and save again.

Verdy p (talk)15:19, 9 July 2019

@Verdy p: feel free to just become part of the Georgian translation team and to just provide the translation. There is nothing wrong if there are some messages untranslated and nothing every challenged that so nobody knows why you bring that up even. For random FUZZY discussions please use a discussion forum.

AKlapper (talk)12:15, 17 July 2019

@AKlapper: I know I can do that, but for this topic I cannot help. My reply was general. There are some reasons why resources get marked as fuzzy, and there's also a way to mark an existing translation as being fuzzy again, without deleting it completely (which is bad as it cancels all its history), when it is still actually requested and a fuzzy translation may still have contents whose translation is still unclear (frequently this is because the source message is ambiguous, and lacks documentation about its usage, e.g. missing clear distinction between isolated verbs and nouns in English, or multiple meanings of the same orthographic term). Another reason is that most of the message was considered OK, but there's an issue in the existing translation caused by an update in the source message. Making some resources fuzzy is enough to solve those issues without deleting them. Another viable reason is that a single resource for a translatable page is marked fuzzy (only copying the English source) in order to force the translation tool to create the first version of the target page (which has incoming links to it): even if the whole page is still not translated, it is still best that it displays the English fallback content, even if the whole page remains to be translated. Finally another reason is that it also allows importing resources from an older translated page (but whose translation was manual, still present in its history, and its existing content will be manually parsed to import and convert it to the translate tool. So the "fuzzy" mark is an intermediary step before looking for other existing pages to find the terminology previously adopted. It's a useful feature, even for actual translators.

Verdy p (talk)16:58, 17 July 2019

Hi Verdy,

Thanks for your inputs. I'll keep this in mind for future.

If the translation has already been exported, deleting it will not help, so in such cases marking them as fuzzy is probably a better idea.

Regards,

Abijeet Patro (talk)17:59, 17 July 2019
 
 
 
 

Parameters should be documented and be insertables.

Siebrand08:02, 17 July 2019

This message needs support for PLURAL.

Siebrand08:01, 17 July 2019

URL needs to be capitalized in this message.

Siebrand08:00, 17 July 2019

URL needs to be capitalized in this message.

Siebrand07:59, 17 July 2019

New problems with user Navhy in Mediawiki translations to galician

Hi, anothertime user Navhy has made incorrect/unnecessary translations without consulting and he has forced to revise all his editions. I request a temporary block to reconsider his attitude.

Elisardojm (talk)20:48, 16 July 2019

Fallback language for shy

incubator:Wt/shy is close to approval, once we can get (a) language verification and (b) the Phabricator is resolved. I have been asked by the community to set fr as the fallback language for shy. Please see incubator:User talk:StevenJ81/Archive 2#Tacawit wt as a independent project from the incubator ? (at the bottom of the section).

StevenJ81 (talk)14:15, 16 July 2019

Please fix the English message so that the link to the category works as a link and displays it as part of the sentence, and does not categorize the page including that message, leaving an incomplete sentence (non-sense).

Verdy p (talk)15:13, 9 July 2019

Hi Verdy p,

We do not encourage viewing the message directly and instead recommend using the Special:Translate page to link to the messages, for ex: https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&showMessage=catdown-category-contains-namespace&group=tsint-catdown&language=haw&filter=&optional=1&action=translate

Still I've created a low priority task to disable the MediaWiki parser, https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T228012

Thanks for bringing this to our notice.

Regards,

Abijeet Patro (talk)07:58, 15 July 2019

I've replied to your post in Phabricator. I'm not sure what you propose is the best solution (espacially when most messages in Translatewiki.net are intended to be rendered by Mediawiki and they should then be parsable with the wiki syntax. If this is not the case for that particular message, it should be marked as such during the import or in its "language/syntax" flags.

Verdy p (talk)10:28, 15 July 2019
 
 

The current message name is:

  • Editing, the source wiki automatically was not possible please follow the instructions above.

But I think it should be changed to:

  • Editing on the source wiki automatically was not possible, please follow the instructions above.
Vlad5250 (talk)10:36, 8 July 2019

Hi Vlad5250,

A new version of this string was imported from the source. Please see the latest revision - https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=MediaWiki%3AFileimporter-cleanup-failed%2Fen&type=revision&diff=8877061&oldid=8866131

Regards,

Abijeet Patro (talk)18:16, 11 July 2019
 

This string should be documented.

As well as at least all other strings of this product that have parameters.

Please also add parameter support, and a check.

Siebrand15:52, 9 July 2019

Created an issue on CitationHunt bug tracker - https://github.com/eggpi/citationhunt/issues/136

Regards,

Abijeet Patro (talk)18:11, 11 July 2019
 

Please use meaningful link anchors. "Click here" isn't that.

Siebrand10:18, 10 July 2019

Created an issue on CitationHunt bug tracker - https://github.com/eggpi/citationhunt/issues/136

Regards,

Abijeet Patro (talk)18:11, 11 July 2019
 
Умар (talk)14:59, 7 July 2019

Hello Умар,

I'm unable to see the screen share linked in the comment. Can you share it again?

Regards,

Abijeet Patro (talk)06:26, 11 July 2019
 
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