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IPA pronunciation for ios-talkpage-discussion read/unread strings (TR)

Hi all!

Looks like the English IPA pronunciation was kept on these (read and unread) so they are incorrect for TR. I'm not sure what they should be but just letting you know.

Thanks!

Wikimedia:Wikipedia-ios-talk-page-discussion-unread-ipa-accessibility-attribute/tr
Wikimedia:Wikipedia-ios-talk-page-discussion-read-ipa-accessibility-attribute/tr

Tsevener (talk)21:41, 19 August 2019

I've marked them as fuzzy so that someone can re-translate it correctly.

Regards,

Abijeet Patro (talk)15:30, 20 August 2019
 

Wiktionary terms

I want to know where can I translate term use on Wiktionary.

Mehtab ahmed (talk)20:48, 1 August 2019

I'm not sure what is the question.

Do you want to add a translation of a word in Wiktionary? Which edition of Wiktionary? (You can simply post a URL here, and I'll be able to help.)

Or do you want something else?

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)11:18, 5 August 2019

I have translated a number or terms that appear at Sindhi Wikipedia but not on Sindhi Wiktionary that's why I'm confused.

Mehtab ahmed (talk)04:29, 16 August 2019
 

Do you want translate system of Wiktionary? If yes, you can translate MediaWiki system. MediaWiki sytem is used also in Wikipedia, Translatewiki.net...

Patriccck (talk)06:21, 8 August 2019

I have translated a number or terms that appear at Sindhi Wikipedia but not on Sindhi Wiktionary that's why I'm confused.

Mehtab ahmed (talk)04:29, 16 August 2019
 
 

New Project? (www.me-pedia.org)

Hi TranslateWiki,

I am new to TranslateWiki, so I apologize if I am asking this in the wrong place. Please point me in the right direction if this is the wrong place.

I was wondering what the procedure is for setting up a new TranslateWiki project for our wiki at www.me-pedia.org. I don't know much about translatewiki.net, so any information is appreciated. Thank you!

Best regards, Eric Pyrrhus

P.S. I notice that on your page Translating:New project, it says: "Please contact us, on our IRC channel #mediawiki-i18n at freenode, by e-mail, or at our support page." However, there is no way for someone without a translatewiki.net account to use the IRC or the support page. And the email address translatewiki@translatewiki.net is not working, my email was returned to sender.

Meaction (talk)17:23, 11 August 2019

Hello,

I did receive your email (but I was on a vacation). translatewiki@ is an alias to multiple addresses and one of the address was outdated, but we have fixed it now. Sorry for the inconvenience.

You mentioned you want some interface messages translated. Can you clarify whether this means custom extensions or skins, or just customizations of your wiki? If it's the latter, I recommend installing Translate extension in your wiki and following the documentation at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Unstructured_element_translation

Nike (talk)15:21, 12 August 2019

Thanks for the reply User:Nike!

To clarify, we are just looking to translate customized interface messages at this time. We are currently working to install the UniversalLanguageSelector and PolyGlot extensions, and plan to install the Translate extension by the end of 2019.

Of course, we would love to do page content translation as well, but I am not sure if that is something TranslateWiki can help with?

I hope you enjoyed your vacation!

Meaction (talk)18:06, 12 August 2019

It sounds like you are on the recommended track. You can translate your content too with the Translate extension.

Nike (talk)09:02, 15 August 2019

Thank you, that's very good to know!

Do we need to do anything besides installing the Translate extension in order to set up a project on TranslateWiki?

Meaction (talk)14:58, 15 August 2019
 
 
 
 

Need more help? Ask for more information directs to EoL

I am currently translating Extensions used by Wikimedia group, but the link in "Need more help? Ask for more information" ((tux-editor-need-more-help)(tux-editor-ask-help)) directs me to create a new section on Translating talk:Encyclopedia of Life.

Basetalkcontributions14:03, 11 August 2019

I can reproduce it.

This is probably a bug in TranslateSettings.php in the translatewiki configuration repository, or in the way in which $wgTranslateSupportUrlNamespace is handled in the Translate extension, but I don't see a quick solution. Perhaps User:Abijeet Patro will have a better idea.

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)14:30, 11 August 2019
Nike (talk)15:47, 12 August 2019

This is supposed to be fixed now.

Nike (talk)09:07, 15 August 2019
 
 
 

Translation updates on home wiki

Hi, I read the FAQ, but I still have few questions regarding the translation updates on home wiki

  1. Is there a place where I can see when was the last time when translations are applied/updated on a local wiki (+ is there a specific period and more details about these updates) (Bulgarian Wikipedia)
  2. We have a case with translation updated at 31 October 2018 which is not yet applied to our Wikipedia (and is not overriden via a system message): [1]. How's that possible?
  3. Is there a way a contributor to force translations update on a home wiki (Bulgarian Wikipedia) or to set these to be done in shorter period
StanProg (talk)09:24, 14 August 2019

Now I'm thinking, could the reason for this be that these messages are not marked as "reviewed"?

StanProg (talk)08:55, 15 August 2019
 

1) Currently translation updates go with the MediaWiki train: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deployments/One_week

2) That message is no longer used by the software, so it is not updated.

3) No, but we are hoping to get back to daily updates in the next 12 months.

Nike (talk)08:58, 15 August 2019
 

Get really "unreviewed" messages only

Hi, when proofreading messages and selecting the "Unreviewed" filter I am presented with many messages that have already been reviewed by one or more people. Looking at the URL I get when clicking that filter (https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=mediawiki&action=proofread&filter=translated%7C!reviewer%3A1314%7C!last-translator%3A1314&setlang=en&language=de) it seems that the software's notion of "unreviewed" is "all messages that the current user has not reviewed or created/edited". So this means to clear the backlog I need to review ~18k messages for the MediaWiki namespace only, not to mention the other projects. The idea of translatewiki is that the effort is distributed among several people, i.e. I do not want to do the work that someone else has already done and review stuff that has already been reviewed by many people. Is there some way I can view the really unreviewed messages, i.e. the messages that have not been reviewed or maybe not by more than 1 or 2 people? Thanks and regards,

ChrisiPK (talk)01:01, 24 May 2014

As explained in mw:Help:Extension:Translate/Quality_assurance, the feature is certainly not thought for blocks of 18 thousands messages: the current process to do what you describe is to review one group and then mark it proofread (a feature active on Meta for instance).

1, 2, 3 or 100 reviews: when is a translation "reviewed enough"? That's not a judgement that Translate currently does. Do you have a proposal on how to add an option to filter translations reviewed by N others without cluttering the interface?

Nemo (talk)08:54, 24 May 2014

From looking at the URL the extensions seems to have quite an extensive filtering system (given the complicated filter expression). I don't know how sophisticated this really is but I would hope that it would be possible to create an expression that gets those messages I am looking for. I would recommend an additional tab "Custom" that will then present me with an interface where I can create my own filter expression. Also I think we should change the "Unreviewed" tab to actually show messages that have not been reviewed by anyone. This makes the behavior consistent with the Untranslated tab: It shows all messages which have not been translated by anyone, not all messages which have not been translated by me. Regards,

ChrisiPK (talk)10:32, 24 May 2014
 

Hi, I have the same problem as ChrisiPK: when I have to review translations, I would prefer to review only those that have not been reviewed yet. To me the most sensible thing to do would be to sort messages in "Unreviewed" tab by the number of times that they have been reviewed, in ascending order, i.e., first unreviewed translations, then translations reviewed once, then twice, etc.

A3nm (talk)14:39, 8 August 2019

Please try this workaround. When you access the unreviewed translations, you will find in the URL of the page the following string reviewer%3A followed by some number. Delete this number and the %3A that precedes it. Possibly some browsers will show = instead, but it means the same thing.

Nike (talk)15:59, 12 August 2019
 
 

Created this new feature request - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230433

Abijeet Patro (talk)16:58, 13 August 2019
 

FuzzyBot copy-pasting English lines to Danish

// WikiPhoenix Talk19:05, 9 August 2019
Shirayuki (talk)07:21, 12 August 2019

Reported in https://github.com/Ajapaik/ajapaik-web/commit/e07282d26e878394f9d5f11c143545a9215eea6a#r34653935

Unfortunately, since these already got exported, there is no simple way to fix this automatically, as I just can't simply delete those bad translations.

Nike (talk)08:21, 12 August 2019

I've reported https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T230361 to avoid this happening in the future.

Nike (talk)16:03, 12 August 2019
 
 
 

What exactly is being deleted here? Some unfortunate languages has genders for stuff that English does not have.

Stoyan (talk)19:17, 30 July 2019

A map object (a node, way or relation).

TomH (talk)19:26, 31 July 2019
 

What exactly is being closeed here? Some unfortunate languages has genders for stuff that English does not have.

Stoyan (talk)19:17, 30 July 2019

Have opened an issue on their issue tracker - https://github.com/openstreetmap/openstreetmap-website/issues/2335

Please look for a response either here, or there.

Regards,

Abijeet Patro (talk)18:48, 31 July 2019
 

A changeset (a group of changes to the map).

TomH (talk)19:25, 31 July 2019
 

What exactly is being closed here? Some unfortunate languages has genders for stuff that English does not have.

Stoyan (talk)19:16, 30 July 2019

A changeset (a group of changes to the map).

TomH (talk)19:25, 31 July 2019
 

What exactly is being created here? Some unfortunate languages has genders for stuff that English does not have.

Stoyan (talk)19:16, 30 July 2019

A changeset (a group of changes to the map).

TomH (talk)19:24, 31 July 2019
 

Hi, how I can translate this? I don't know how is Czech "nepřečteno" in IPA.

Patriccck (talk)18:47, 29 July 2019

username change

Hi, can I request a username change to Paradox, please? Thank you.

Onubadok (talk)07:18, 25 July 2019

Renamed!

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)11:07, 29 July 2019

Thanks a lot.

Paradox (talk)14:42, 29 July 2019
 
 

Add Eastern Balochi Language to Translator

Hi, I have request to Add Eastern Balochi on Translator with native name toسلئیمانی(بلۏچی) This Language ISO-609-2 Code is bgp S I E Z A/SK7 09:07, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

S I E Z A/SK709:07, 28 July 2019

Change Southern Balochi Native Name

Hi to Adminstratin I am one of Balochi Academy Sarbaz Admins We have been working on Balochi Language that oue most work on Southern Balochi. We want to Change Southern Balochi(bcc) native name to کݔچی(بلۏچی) thank you.

S I E Z A/SK7 09:04, 28 July 2019 (UTC)

S I E Z A/SK709:04, 28 July 2019

Is Hive.js deprecated?

Hi folks, it looks like Hive.js has been retired as a project. The domain is dormant and the source code repository hasn't received an update in months. It may be advisable to mark it as such on tw.net as you have with previous projects here that are now (sadly!) defunct.

Yannis A |23:42, 19 July 2019

You are right. Worse, the domain was squatted.

Nemo (talk)08:42, 20 July 2019
 

Relatedly I filed https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T228072 a while ago.

I reached out to the contact person and they confirmed that it is now defunct.

Nike (talk)20:13, 20 July 2019

I have dropped hivejs from translation, and noted this in News.

TODO: Someone should update the project page and associated user templates.

Nike (talk)10:31, 21 July 2019

Done. Updated the project page, and the associated user template.

Niklas has also documented on what needs to be done as part of the project deprecation process - https://translatewiki.net/wiki/How_to_drop_a_project

Abijeet Patro (talk)03:26, 25 July 2019
 
 
 

URL should be capitalized in this message.

Siebrand08:04, 17 July 2019

Submitted a ticket on Phab - https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T228631

Regards,

Abijeet Patro (talk)03:23, 25 July 2019
 

Template:Disabled language

Wondering whether I could get a second opinion at Template talk:Disabled language. I feel like the warning given by that template is unnecessarily vague and could be improved with a little more information (additional text) and/or a few choice links (or maybe just a retargeting of the existing link??). Alternatively, the template could be split into different ones based on the underlying reasons for tagging. Note that I am not a translator here for any language, so perhaps those who are (or who are in the process of becoming one) would have a different experience. I just feel like the catch-all nature of the warning given by that template leaves readers with no useful clues as to why the page has been so tagged. (For example, Portal:tlh, Portal:chb and Portal:szy have all been tagged, but presumably for very different reasons. [I assume Klingon will never be enabled here, but surely that cannot be true of the other two.]) Note, BTW, that the template is used on both portal and category pages. Not surprisingly, the creator and sole editor of the template sees nothing wrong with it. Perhaps others will disagree.

dcljr (talk)23:31, 17 July 2019

I just took existing sentences I found on some pages. But the only link found was to the page currently indicated. If you want to suggest other links, please do so.

I can only suggest for now adding a "reason=*" to the template for a freeform text (that will not be translated by the template), including the possibility to integrate a wikilink to some decision page describing the issues.

Also you affirmed (in a prior talk) that the message was only in English, and this is wrong: it's shown in over 60 languages, plus some known fallbacks from other regional languages or from variants that are user selectable in the Universal Language Selector. The text in all of them is the same, based on the same English source.

Also I suggested you to fix possible typos or imprecision that may exist in some translations. But before adding things in a specific language, make sure that the English base is in sync wit the proposed additions.

All I did was to mark explicitly the languages that are NOT selectable in the Translation tool (following any link using these language codes will not work, because the translation tool will immediatzly switch to another unrelated language (based on the current user's UI language and not at all on the indicated target language), and new translators may not notice it (there's no notification on the screen, the only thing being indicated is the name of the effectively selected language in the top-right corner) and they could start overwriting valid translations for that unrelated language by translations in a disabled language. This was the main reason for which I made these indications explicit.

Verdy p (talk)00:14, 18 July 2019
 

Klingon probably won't be enabled, and this was discussed many times.

Sakizaya will probably be enabled. It's a technical matter now. The best place for discussing it is https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T174601

As for Chibcha, it's the first time I'm hearing about it, but it is unlikely to be enabled given what the Wikipedia article about it says (extinct circa 1800). I'm flexible about sincere and serious language revitalization projects. I'm not quite sure why was it ever added to translatewiki.

The Sakizaya case is the most confusing here, of course. The template on the portal looks very fatal, and it's not quite the case. It should be rephrased for clarity, probably with something like a "status" or "reason" parameter.

Also, its translations should really be moved to a proper localization system, like translatewiki.net or something ;)

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)10:00, 23 July 2019

"Its translation should be moved to ... translatewiki.net".... We are on translatewiki.net !

Translatewiki.net is not required to support only Wikimedia projects, it can support Wikia, where Klingon is accepted (but it uses a script that is not encoded in Unicode, only encoded in ISO 15924. The proposal to encode the Klingon script was made by Michael Everson at Unicode, and as it was rejected, Klingon is for now encoded in PUA space using the "ConScript PUA registry"... managed by Michael Everson which supports more languages than what ISO/IEC WG2 or the UTC want to support.

It was rejected simply on the fact that most Klingon users wrote it in the Latin script (but with several variants or transliterations, not always the one promoted by KLI, notably some users prefer using extended latin which more accurately represent the sounds, like c with hacek, small capital i, or l barred with curl, and then allow the script to be romanized with common dual casing, which makes it more readable).

There's nothing wrong in translating MediaWiki in Klingon even if there's no Wikimedia project for it. But Wikimedia wiki do not want to support languages written in scripts requiring the use of PUAs (nomally intended to be for private use, and then limited in scope to specific projects using it in their own community).

Also I'm not adding any new language, I'm just sorting what is existing on this wiki, and then display a correct status.

Verdy p (talk)10:10, 23 July 2019
 
 

In January 2019, SIL gave Sakizaya the language code "szy", as noted at m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Sakizaya#January 2019 update. Shortly afterwards, I created Portal:szy here because I thought that would be helpful. However, the language was already being translated here under the code "ais". In the meantime, incubator:Wp/ais was moved to incubator:Wp/szy. I posted about this at Thread:Portal talk:Ais/Should be at Portal:Szy, but I guess "no one noticed". Yesterday, Portal:szy was tagged with {{Disabled language}}, apparently because it had no active translators (they are listed at Portal:Ais).

So, now I am "formally requesting" that everything on this wiki currently under "ais" be moved to "szy". (I'm not sure what all is involved in doing that.)

(Note that I do not know the language; I'm just interested in seeing everything get "in sync" after the designation of the "szy" code. Pinging @StevenJ81 and Liuxinyu970226: as they may have further information and/or an opinion they want to express about this change.)

dcljr (talk)00:59, 17 July 2019
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Last edit: 00:09, 19 July 2019

Note that some stuff under "szy" (Sakizaya) may actually belong under "ami" (Amis), as discussed at m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Sakizaya#January 2019 update. I guess this complicates the issue and means that things cannot simply be moved wholesale, as I suggested. But "ais" has been deprecated, so clearly something needs to be done here. I will leave it to others to determine what that is.

Note that we currently have no translators listed at Portal:szy and that language has not been enabled for translation, but at least one of the translators listed at Portal:ais appears to be among the users asking for a Sakizaya Wikipedia, so maybe they can help? (I've notified a few such users about this thread.)

Also note phab:T174601, which is discussing the same issue from a different perspective (Wikimedia wiki configuration).


Edit: As pointed out by StevenJ81 below, I actually meant to say: "Note that some stuff under 'ais'… may actually belong under 'ami'". Sorry for any confusion this may have caused.

dcljr (talk)01:39, 18 July 2019

Hi @Dcljr: I'm sure there are no stuff or content under "szy" belong under "ami". So how can we do to move all translations listed at Portal:ais to Portal:szy? We thought it would be moved just like the case with incubator:Wp/ais to incubator:Wp/szy. @Amire80: @StevenJ81: Is it possible to fix this problem? If negative, should we improve the portal one by one manually? Corainn (talk) 08:37, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Corainn (talk)08:37, 18 July 2019

Look, it just sometimes takes time to sort some of these things out. I wouldn't worry a lot. @Corainn, if you are quite sure that nothing currently within language ais is actually Amis, then we could outright move everything from ais to szy. Otherwise, the thing to do is to copy everything from ais to szy, and worry about the disposition of ais later.

@Amire80, I can assure you that (a) szy is appropriate for Sakizaya, (b) pretty much everything that had been put previously into ais is really Sakizaya (I'll find the rather robust discussion history if you like), and (c) ais for "Nataoran" has been deprecated in favor of including Nataoran within the rest of Amis (ami). So please help us move this along. Thanks.

StevenJ81 (talk)13:49, 18 July 2019

@StevenJ81: Great to hear that and thanks for the reply! Yes, there are no overlaps between amis and szy(ais), I‘m very sure. If something could be done by our side, please let me know.

Corainn (talk)22:02, 18 July 2019

@Amire80 is working on this at Phabricator now. See phab:T174601.

StevenJ81 (talk)14:03, 22 July 2019
 
 
 
 
 
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