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attribution options?109:04, 30 November 2020
Courtesy vanish me208:57, 30 November 2020
Add new page MediaWiki:Source-code108:52, 30 November 2020
Translatewiki.net does not have a mobile view (MobileFrontend and MinervaNeue)315:44, 29 November 2020
[Wp/trv]Translation of MediaWiki (most important messages)421:08, 22 November 2020
Support Saraiki language621:06, 22 November 2020
[kcg] New Language Addition (Tyap / Katab, A̠lyem Tyap)009:06, 20 November 2020
Language name correction (Southern Luri/luz)116:35, 18 November 2020
Grammar215:33, 18 November 2020
Minor web site enhancements412:22, 13 November 2020
MediaWiki:Notification-bs-pageassignments-user-group-add-summary215:41, 12 November 2020
Translations by ChoiChong009:15, 9 November 2020
RC Wikidata207:44, 28 October 2020
Error on MediaWiki:Wmobile-copyright/en323:24, 26 October 2020
Transadmin013:46, 24 October 2020
[Sxr] [Xnb] Translation of MediaWiki interface is not supported by translatewiki.net207:37, 24 October 2020
Parameters for illustration118:11, 22 October 2020
Known issue with Timeless014:28, 21 October 2020
Rename my username107:19, 21 October 2020
MediaWiki Visualeditor tooltips (Slovenian)213:21, 20 October 2020
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attribution options?

Jen here from https://eol.org/ . I would like to display some form of attribution to the translators who have contributed to our project, in our About pages. I thought perhaps a word cloud similar to what is available at https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:SupportedLanguages/id. Is this consistent with translatewiki policy? If so, is there a recommended data service we should use?

Thanks!

Jhammock (talk)19:24, 26 October 2020

Most projects thank "translatewiki.net translators". Some do collect all the names from their translation files and present that list as well.

Nike (talk)09:04, 30 November 2020
 

Courtesy vanish me

Please courtesy vanish me, i accidentally created this account and then started doing some random stuff.

-Ipkap21:59, 13 November 2020

Just don't use your account here. Deleting an account is not possible.

Raymond09:51, 21 November 2020

I think the best we can do is to rename the account to a random string and prevent logins.

Nike (talk)08:57, 30 November 2020
 
 

Add new page MediaWiki:Source-code

Some files on Wikimedia Commons have source codes published on their description page. It would be nice to have a {{int:source-code}} template to be used on headings as =={{int:source-code}}==; its use would allow translated texts such as "código fonte" in Brazilian Portuguese.

Joaopaulo1511 (talk)06:38, 26 November 2020

That should be translatable in Commons directly. They have a special message group for that kind of messages. Maybe you can request it to be included there, if it isn't yet?

Nike (talk)08:52, 30 November 2020
 

Translatewiki.net does not have a mobile view (MobileFrontend and MinervaNeue)

Hello, I saw that translatewiki.net does not have a mobile view composed of the extension MobileFrontend and the MinervaNeue Skin. Please you can to add a mobile view to translatewiki.net? Thanks.

Rodney Araujo (talk)14:02, 20 November 2020

MobileFrontend is a rather expensive extension to maintain, so I don't think the translatewiki.net staff has enough resources to provide this option. However, work is ongoing to switch to the Timeless skin, which is more responsive and should address most concerns: Thread:Support/Proposal to change default skin to Timeless. I suggest that you enable the Timeless skin in your preferences and report any issues you find.

Nemo (talk)16:30, 26 November 2020

I suggest that MobileFrontend and Minervaneue must be enabled to translatewiki.net, is because is more responsive in mobile devices. And also I opened a task in Phabricator at https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T268340.

Rodney Araujo (talk)15:31, 29 November 2020

And I disagree, for the reasons above.

Nemo (talk)15:44, 29 November 2020
 
 
 

[Wp/trv]Translation of MediaWiki (most important messages)

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Last edit: 07:37, 20 November 2020

Hello, we want to translate the content (Wp/trv) of MediaWiki (most important messages).One of the sentences (Content is available under $1 unless otherwise noted.) is not allowed us to publish our translation. And the reason is you do not have permission to edit this page because it contains raw HTML which can be modified to affect all visitors.We would like to know how can we solve this problem?

Mecytan (talk)03:50, 20 November 2020

This is not strictly for Mediawiki as what you wanted is to translate the Wikipedia Incubator for Portal:Trv (Taroko, Seediq): the UI of the wiki effectively comes for Mediawiki (so the Incubator wiki itself does not allow modifying it locally), but this could have happened for other projects as well. You have two solutions:

  • contact a local wiki adminsitrator to make a change for you (it will be kept specifically on that wiki by adding another level of protection that will block reimports from Translatewiki.net, where it may be translated differently in a more generic version not specific to Wikimedia).
  • or find the relevant message on this Translatewiki: if you can't edit it here, then propose the translation to this Support, and an admin will submit it for you: please link the message

I've try to locate it, and found 4 resources (here in English, two for MediaWiki itself (they must be generic):

and two for Wikimedia-specific contents:

Note that the reason given ("raw HTML") is not relevant as there's no raw HTML in fact. But that protection was required for legal reasons, because these messages are required on many pages (for legal reasons) and they must not be altered without careful check and approval by site admins.

So you have to give the translated text to put into

Verdy p (talk)07:43, 20 November 2020
 

@Mecytan: If you want to add the translations here in translatewiki please post your translations here. I will add them for you.

Raymond09:50, 21 November 2020

@Raymond: Thanks for your help. The translation is "Rahuq nan ii o niqan kingal duri pgkla, aji saw kiya do ruwan ruwahan patas dmuuy kana $1 gaya mgay biyax kklawa." Please help us to add the content.

Mecytan (talk)13:15, 21 November 2020

I have created MediaWiki:Copyright/trv for you. Please check the content. If you need further help please add the message name and the translation here.

Raymond17:47, 21 November 2020
 
 
 

Support Saraiki language

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Last edit: 10:04, 16 October 2017

Language Saraiki is mainly written in Arabic script. So Skr and Skr-arab be merged. In wikimedia and other sites Skr-arab be deleted. Because Saraiki is just one language. In interface language and internationalization only one langauge be shown. Interface of Urdu words be adjusted as they are adjusted in SKR_Arab. All translations be converted to Skr i.e., Skr-arab be renamed as skr. so that one language Skr-arab be deleted from Special:SupportedLanguages. In language selector of Wikimedia Saraiki is Written two times. Kindly Skr-arab be deleted.

Saraiki (talk)15:33, 27 July 2017

Merging messages between two variants can be easy for sysops by using Special:mergehistory, but I'd love to know what's your actual wanted code (aka merge which to which)? Merge skr to skr-arab? Or vice versa?

Liuxinyu970226 (talk)00:57, 1 August 2017
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Last edit: 12:34, 28 September 2017

In interface language merge Skr-Arab in Skr، In interface language the all work as stood as in Skr-Arab be adjusted as Skr, and the word Skr-Arab be deleted in the the internationalization of the the language. Wiki is only in Skr. Please this conflict be removed. Saraiki. (talk) 10:45, 1 August 2017 (UTC).

Saraiki (talk)10:45, 1 August 2017
 

Sorry, for technical it will be too complicated to do this. However, it doesn't matter because the "skr-arab" code will remain internal, and you'll see "skr" in the actual sites.

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)16:42, 12 November 2020

In summary we jsut want to make sure that [skr] is an alias for [skr-Arab] by default, just like [zh] is in alias for [cmn], or [en] is an alias for [en-Latn].

Like for all aliases, they are to be treated equivalently, except for the purpose of fallbacks with BCP47 rules, where the extra script code can be used as a guide to select one of several possible languages using the same script. This does not mean we create duplicate data for localization, but that where data is missing, fallbacks will resolve differently for languages that may have different scripts, even if one of them is the current standard or the most frequently used.

  • e.g., English is not written only with the Latin script, it may still be written with Deseret, so [en-Dsrt] is still a distinct variant, but if it's missing it will fallback to [en]
  • for Serbian, the Cyrillic script is the default so [sr] can be aliased to [sr-Cyrl] (or [sr-ec] only in Wikimedia wikis which violates the BCP47 standard here) and we don't need to have the two datasets for [sr] and [sr-Cyrl] (they should be identical), but we can still have [sr-Latn] which fallbacks to [sr] (and thus, also to [sr-Cyrl] because it is equivalent by its alias), however it can also fallback first to [sh-Latn] which will itself fallback to [hr-Latn]).

We can consider that for fallbacks, preserving the script is preferable to preserving the base language; so the two aliased codes are not completely equivalent: they are only equivalent in translation datasets, but not in applications that will use them with their own fallback chains to decide the order of resolutions.

If no fallback is needed (because a translated resource is found in any one of the two aliased datasets, which are in fact just the same one), using one code or the other does not matter. So in this TWN wiki, nothing needs to be changed except making sure that there's only one dataset open, the other being locked, or "redirected" to the other code.

So I would recommend keeping [skr-Arab] here, and keep [skr] closed/locked, with a possible redict. On the [skr] portal, we can display the shorter code, but as well all variants including [skr-Arab] as the default variant. The short code will be locked, all translations will be made in the unambiguous [skr-Arab], except if another script is used, like [skr-Cyrl].

Verdy p (talk)20:28, 12 November 2020

It should be noted that [skr] was just approved by the languages committee of the WMF, for creation of Wikipedia at least. For now all Wikimedia projects are still in Incubator.

Here on this wiki, it will remain [skr-Arab] (which is already enabled), even if there are 3 other scripts (including an historic Indic abugida, Multani, which was specifically used for that language; plus Devanagari and Gurmukhi, or Latin transliteration sometimes used today.) This won't block the import and creation of the new Wikimedia wikis (using mainly the Arabic script) as they work already in Incubator: the code [skr] can then remain disabled on Translatewiki.net (and because it was already disabled, there's no need to merge an inexixtant [skr] dataset with the existing [skr-Arab] dataset).

Verdy p (talk)21:02, 22 November 2020
 
 
 

[kcg] New Language Addition (Tyap / Katab, A̠lyem Tyap)

See the request made by Kambai Akau on Category talk:User languages.

Verdy p (talk)09:05, 20 November 2020

Language name correction (Southern Luri/luz)

Hi. The Southern Luri language(luz) name is misspelled and needs to be corrected. How can I change it from "لئری دوٙمینی" to "لری دۊمنی"?

Sahh (talk)19:15, 17 November 2020

It's the name built into MediaWiki for the "#language:" parserfunction, and its source is the name imported from Unicode CLDR, where it was vetted. It seems that the name is correct is I look at Wikipedia which cites it as well. The difference being in the optionaml notation of vowels, which may be simplified (your proposal) or more advanced. I do not see a typo, and the CLDR vetted data is considered reliable (a defacto worldwide standard for translation of language names, beside the ISO 639 standard and the IANA database for BCP47 that just give English names). If I look at Glottlog and the Linguist list, we see several orthographic variants for the native language name (they vary depending on authors, sources, or time, or location of the author using an orthographic system from several possible countries).

Verdy p (talk)16:35, 18 November 2020
 

Hi, I have noticed two small errors in the original while I was translating SWViewer:

https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Wikimedia:Swviewer-about-frame-data-ref-2/en

Should say "This data is available to the public."

https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Wikimedia:Swviewer-about-frame-data-desc/en

"Appication" instead of "Application"

Best,

Jan Myšák (talk)22:27, 10 November 2020

Shouldn't data be plural only (and collective, uncountable) in English so that it should be:

These data are available to the public.

To speak about a single data element or to count them, you need another noun: "piece(s) of data", "data element(s)", "data item(s)"

Verdy p (talk)20:08, 12 November 2020

These have been fixed.

Nike (talk)15:33, 18 November 2020
 
 

Minor web site enhancements

  1. The page Translating:New_project in its last paragraph has the expression "e-mail" (as a possible way to contact staff at translatewiki.net). A reader whom I sent to look around suggests to make it a link.
  2. If you follow the link "Translating talks for projects" at the beginning of the "Support" page, you get a list having more than a handful of irrelevant and outdated pages included. Can that be changed? --Purodha Blissenbach
09:16, 8 July 2011

Bump.

Nike12:31, 28 July 2011
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Last edit: 12:22, 13 November 2020

So fix it, Niklas, instead of bumping this?

Siebrand10:49, 2 August 2011

I've forgotten what is our default email address.

Nike13:44, 3 August 2011

translatewiki at translatewiki.net.

Siebrand14:33, 3 August 2011
 
 
 
 

MediaWiki:Notification-bs-pageassignments-user-group-add-summary

The last revision to this message I see is “You have been added to group $4 that have pages assigned to them”.

This message needs a documentation update, a GENDER magic word for “You have been” (so the name of the current user account must be passed as a parameter) and possibly a PLURAL magic word for $4 if it still can be a comma-separated list of groups.

EDIT: I noticed similar errors in other messages: MediaWiki:Notification-bs-pageassignments-user-group-remove-body, Notification-bs-pageassignments-user-group-remove-subject, MediaWiki:Notification-bs-pageassignments-user-group-add-body, MediaWiki:Notification-bs-pageassignments-user-group-add-subject. All of these are marked as outdated in the translation tool.

The group manager's username (the person who is adding or removing the addressee from a group) is omitted and probably isn't necessary in any language, but the addressee (the currently logged user who's reading the notification) is mandatory.

Thank you, and I hope my explanation isn't confusing.

ArenaL5 (talk)20:33, 10 November 2020

Maintainer per email informed. Hopefully he will answer here.

Raymond08:50, 12 November 2020
 

Thanks for this feedback! I have created an internal ticket to address this. Will be fixed soon. Reference is ERM21752.

Osnard (talk)15:41, 12 November 2020
 

Translations by ChoiChong

A thread, Thread:Support/Translations by ChoiChong, was moved from here to User talk:ChoiChong. This move was made by Nemo bis (talk | contribs) on 9 November 2020 at 09:15.

RC Wikidata

I'm searching for the MediaWiki-page that shows "Show/Hide Wikidata" in the Recent Changes. Anyone know which one that is? --Ooswesthoesbes (talk) 09:52, 20 July 2017 (UTC)

Ooswesthoesbes (talk)09:52, 20 July 2017
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Last edit: 01:02, 27 July 2017
Liuxinyu970226 (talk)01:02, 27 July 2017
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Last edit: 10:42, 31 July 2017

That might be it. Thank you!

Ooswesthoesbes (talk)10:42, 31 July 2017
 
 

Error on MediaWiki:Wmobile-copyright/en

Hi, can someone change MediaWiki:Wmobile-copyright/en to use quotation marks rather than apostrophes in the links as they're currently broken

Thanks

Nintendofan885T&Cs apply14:25, 26 October 2020

Single quotation marks are valid in the HTML syntax for attributes.

Remember that this resource is NOT written using the Mediawiki syntax, but the plain HTML syntax, so even if it does not render correctly on this wiki, this is only because this wiki attempts to parse it as Mediawiki (where even the <a href="URL">text</a> is not permitted by the wiki; so if it was written using the MediaWiki syntax and rendered by MediaWiki, it would be .[URL text] instead; this is not the case here).

So changing the ASCII single quote to ASCII double quotes would not change the way this message is rendered here on this wiki. Keep it in plain HTML: the message is intended to be rendered only locally by the Mobile app (which uses its own internal HTML renderer with its own embedded browser component, and does not parse the Mediawiki syntax, this text is emitted as is) and NOT on a MediaWiki server...

Nothing is broken here!

Note: you are still free to change these quotes in translations, as long as you use a valid HTML syntax (so don't change the ASCII < and > delimiting the HTML opening and closing tags. As well only use a plain URL (which you may need to change if it has to link to another translated page on the same target site, and keep the "https://" protocol unchanged).

And you are free to use the the quotation marks and apostrophes and all other punctuation appropriate in the target language for the text part of the link. You can test your translation by copy-pasting it in a plan-text file saved in ".html" format, and open it in your browser (unfortunately, the source message is not "meta-tagged" as using the HTML syntax; that's something that Translate wiki should propose to indicate its expected syntax, but that would also involve importing the source message with metadata in the package).

Such message, given it contains plan HTML, should also be modifible only by admins (to avoid injection of dangerous HTML code, such as link to spammed sites, or injection of bad javascript attempting to steal data or break the privacy in the Mobile app). This is something that authors of the Wmobile app should change: they can preprocess this message to generate the HTML code they will inject in their app (without the need to integrate a MediaWiki parser phase in the app itself), and only use Mediawki syntax on this wiki. But anyway this wiki is itself protected and renders the plain HTML link code, so this wiki remaing protected.

Verdy p (talk)18:01, 26 October 2020

Oh, I thought it was broken because the links broke when I clicked on them (it went to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Text_of_Creative_Commons_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License')

Nintendofan885T&Cs apply20:38, 26 October 2020

This is a parsing bug of MediaWiki on this wiki; this won't occur with a regular HTML parser. As I said, plain HTML links are not supported by Mediawiki as Mediawiki incorrectly includes the "trailing" quote in it. That's something that MediaWiki should fix as these quotes in HTML are never taken into account, unless they are URL-encoded in HTML.

Note that in HTML both the single quote and the double quotes are valid delimiters for attributes, and which ones are valid as part of the quoted value depends on which delimiting paired quotes are used:

  • If attribute values are between double quotes "...", litteral single quotes ' in the embedded value don't need to be encoded, but double quotes in attribute values have to be HTML-escaped as &quot; (or only if the value is an URL, they can be URL-encoded as %22, which won't need any HTML-escapes)
  • If attribute values are between single quotes '...', litteral double quotes " in the embedded value don't need to be encoded, but single quotes in attribute values have to be HTML-escaped as &#39; (or only if the value is an URL, they can be URL-encoded as %27, which won't need any HTML-escapes)

Note that any single quote or double quotes by IS valid in any standalone URL (except for the leading protocol part or the host/domain part, it is valid anywhere in the optional parts: the path, the query string, fragment identifier) or any URI. Inside a standalone URI, there's no support at all for the HTML-encoding, or for the URL-encoding (which depends on the protocol and the target host/domain part in its own URL parser, but noit at all of the HTML-parser!!!).

Here MediaWiki (on this wiki) does not parse the HTML completely correctly and so it does not use the correct HTML-parsing for delimiting attributes, and then it considers the value as if it was between double quotes (no check is made about which effective delimtier is used in the HTML attribute, so it incorrectly accepts the single quote as part of it, then it takes the wrong decision).

This is effectively a bug of MediaWiki (which could be reported given that the MediaWiki should still parse HTML correctly and should be an extension of it), in its own custom parser. But as I said, this message is *not* to be parsed by MediaWiki and will be parsed by a regular HTML parser which makes the correct decision. The bug is bisible on this wiki when viewing the translated page, but it does not affect the application.

Verdy p (talk)23:17, 26 October 2020
 
 
 

Transadmin

How can I be a transadmin?

--ToprakM 13:46, 24 October 2020

[Sxr] [Xnb] Translation of MediaWiki interface is not supported by translatewiki.net

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Last edit: 07:37, 24 October 2020

Hla’alua Wikipedia (incubator:Wp/sxr) and Kanakanavu Wikipedia (incubator:Wp/xnb ) ,both are open test wiki of the Wikimedia Incubator. There also have valid ISO 639 language code. Due to approval of Wikipedia, translation of MediaWiki interface into their own language in the translatewiki.net is one of the requirements before a wiki can be created. But now translatewiki.net said that there are not yet enabled. We would like to know what steps are necessary to get the language enabled.

Mecytan (talk)02:46, 22 October 2020

These two related Tsouic languages (originating from a small central area in Taiwan) have their portals (Portal:Sxr, and Portal:Xnb), created since long in 2017, which you can subscribe as a translator. They also indicate already their Incubator wikis.

They are still disabled as there's no support for now in the Translator tools and statistics. Languages are enabled for translation when there's a demand and a convincing desire to start translating them (probably starting by the Mediawiki interface). However, even if this is still not enabled, you can work on these incubators and develop there some pags of terminology that you may want to discuss, and that may be needed to start translting the Mediawiki UI on this site.

This suppoort page is to demonstrate you commiment to this project and ask these to be enabled (but note that if there's no progress or there are signs that you don't work actively with Wikimedia to support the import on the Incubator wiki or on a test wiki, this could be disabled by the Translatewiki.net admins until there are more contributors taking the project seriously, notably because generating the exports from Translate.wiki.net has a cost that should find a usage on an actual wiki (Wikimedia Incubator is supported but you also need an agreement with other users of its local community to monitor the initial progress and ask for a reasonable review)

Another thing you msut discuss is some additional support in Incubator itself and in the Wikiemdia multinigual tools. Now if the Incubator goes well to the creation of a new Wikipedia, of course these languages should be enabled because the support for these languages will be demonstrated. Note that Wikimedia wikis are not the only projects that you could be working on. For example you may want to translate OpenStreetMap tools, or communication tools that are hosted on this wiki, or would like to develop a wiki for any topic outside Wikimedia, that would benefit as well of the translation of the MediaWiki UI.

You made the appropriate step here. Hope your arguments will be enough to convince an adminsitrator of Translatewiki.net for you (I cannot do that myself).

Verdy p (talk)03:08, 22 October 2020
 

Hi,

I can do this, but I want to make sure first: Who is going to do the actual translations? The two languages have very few speakers. By itself, it's not a problem, but the pages in the Incubators are quite repetitive, and the activity in the Incubators is quite low. Are there people who speak these languages, know them well, and plan to work on localization?

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)15:00, 22 October 2020
 

Parameters for illustration

These words are in the Chechen Wikipedia in Russian. Did I do something wrong?

"img_right = аьтту, справа img_left = аьрру, слева img_center = центр, центр img_frameless = гура_боцуш, безрамки"

MediaWiki:Sp-translate-data-MagicWords/ce

Умар (talk)23:55, 21 October 2020

Your edits to MediaWiki:Sp-translate-data-MagicWords/ce have no effects, sadly :-( The process to export such edits from translatewiki to Wikipedias & Co are broken since years. You (or someone else) have to submit a patch to this file: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/plugins/gitiles/mediawiki/core/+/refs/heads/master/languages/messages/MessagesCe.php#224

Raymond18:11, 22 October 2020
 

Known issue with Timeless

Just heads up that during the latest code deployment today we noticed an issue with the Timeless skin. The echo notification icons are misplaced. We have reported the issue at Phab:T266135 and will deploy a fix once it is available.

Nike (talk)14:28, 21 October 2020

Rename my username

Can you please change my username to Awesome Aasim? I have done so on other MediaWiki wikis, but not here.

Ups and Downs ()09:41, 20 October 2020

Done Done

Raymond07:19, 21 October 2020
 

MediaWiki Visualeditor tooltips (Slovenian)

Hello!

I'm looking for translations of MediaWiki buttons for insertion of special objects to translate them to Slovenian and can't locate them.

I'd need help with the following:

  • Chemical formula
  • Map
  • Graph

Thank you!

Eleassar (talk)09:23, 26 August 2020
  • chemical formula and more from the Math extension
  • graph and more from the Graph extension
  • map and more from the Kartographer extension
Raymond15:57, 27 August 2020

Thank you, @Raymond:!

Eleassar (talk)13:21, 20 October 2020
 
 
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