Babel boxes where no native translation has been provided

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Babel boxes where no native translation has been provided

If you take a look at my Nynorsk user page, you will see that the last box reads "This user has basic knowledge of Old Norse.", even though the relevant Nynorsk messages all appear to have been translated several years ago. Njardarlogar (talk) 10:38, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Njardarlogar (talk)10:38, 16 September 2012

Ok, messages are available locally and there are no local overrides, so this is not a translatewiki.net issue. What's wrong exactly? non is not even enabled here and there's no translation, isn't it the normal behaviour for the extension to look for non strings and fallback to English? (I don't remember.)

Nemo (talk)11:12, 16 September 2012

It shouldn't fallback to English, there is no reason why other languages should be presented in English rather than the local wiki language.

Njardarlogar (talk)12:27, 16 September 2012

Well, the user language information are in the language they refer to because they're supposed to be useful to people speaking that language (so French proficiency information is always in French, and so on); the local wiki language doesn't matter at all. This is only my uneducated opinion, though.

Nemo (talk)13:13, 16 September 2012

The box should be using Old Norse (non) texts, which is only possible, if the language is available. In translatewiki.net. However, we cannot even translate to Old Norse, so there is no chance to have those texts.

For all languages that are not enabled as target languages to be translated to, we have he problem that Extension:Babel cannot be fed the needed texts. We can use the traditional template way, though, on each wiki individually.

We can also add translations to the source code directly. This does not help, since MediaWiki does not load messages for languages missing from Names.php. Nevertheless, this may prove useful, since having additional translations is certainly an improvement, and maybe a way will be found someday to make them available as well.

Purodha Blissenbach (talk)17:15, 16 September 2012

We could perhaps add an empty "non" locale just to specify the fallback to nn, so that they get loaded in such cases (basically only Babel). Opinions?

Nemo (talk)23:02, 13 July 2014

Can we agree on these:

  • Babel should be able to reflect language capabilities even in languages that are not in Name.php - most notably in wikis hat deliberately choose to not support all languages that MediaWiki proper can support.
  • That requires a potentially larger message/language base for the Babel extension than elsewhere in MediaWiki.
Purodha Blissenbach (talk)19:52, 27 February 2015