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iNaturalist Leaving Translatewiki

Hi folks,

We at iNaturalist are extremely grateful for all the translations we've received from Translatewiki over the years, but we would like to stop using Translatewiki for translations as of October 1, 2019. We want to make sure all Translatewiki translators continue to receive attribution, so any advice / requirements on how best to do that would be appreciated. We could make a wiki page in our github repo, or maybe attribute them by name in our README or on our website. In doing so we will also make sure to thank Translatewiki itself for many years worth of translations.

If possible, we would like iNaturalist's presence on Translatewiki to be removed by the above date so translators don't waste their time providing translations that will never be integrated into our code.

If there are any requests or requirements you have regarding the end of our collaboration, please let me know.

Kueda (talk)18:11, 16 September 2019

Thank you for caring about not wasting translators' work. Naturally, we'll do as the project pleases.

However, could you please elaborate on what are the reasons for this decision? I suspect they might be easier to fix than you think.

I see a lot of strange things going on at https://github.com/inaturalist/inaturalist/commits/master/config/locales , probably a result of some misunderstanding. If the things are not going well for iNaturalist, maybe a solution is to try a simpler and more efficient workflow compared to what we had so far. For instance, normally we strongly advise against: 1) pushing outside master, which makes errors more likely and slower to fix; 2) keeping up parallel/competing workflows and translation systems, such as Crowdin and translation changes directly pushed to the repository.

Nemo (talk)12:33, 17 September 2019

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Well, I'm surprised because at https://forum.inaturalist.org/t/translators-what-do-you-like-dislike-about-crowdin-and-translatewiki/3108 I don't see anyone complain about this perceived problem. If people had experienced such big conflicts within their locales, I would expect to see signs of it somewhere. Could it be that some translators just refused to engage because they rejected the wiki way for ideological reasons?

Nemo (talk)19:30, 17 September 2019

It's possible some folks have ideological problems with wikis, but the complaints we've heard offline about assigning proofreaders are more practical, e.g. the ones I tried to describe at https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Thread:Support/designated_proofreaders,_excluding_locales.

Kueda (talk)19:37, 17 September 2019

I understand, but as I said "our suggestion is to give it a try and avoid overthinking things beforehand". If people were making changes like vs. Usted outside translatewiki.net, i.e. without communicating with other translators, that's not a problem with the platform but a social problem. I don't see anything on translating:iNaturalist warning translators to use "Usted", for instance.

Another example: at times your commits resulted in User:FuzzyBot seemingly edit warring with users [1] [2] who appear to have registered just to translate iNaturalist (so iNaturalist translators?). No wonder it was hard for the es-mx locale to coordinate, when translation edits were flying in all directions unexplained.

This social problem of lack of communication can be nudged towards a fix by eliminating the alternative platforms and forcing everyone to translate on translatewiki.net. Translators would then discover that we offer tools to quickly solve such issues of consistency, like Special:SearchTranslations, as well as effective communication methods like edit summaries, talk pages and so on.

It seems to me that you've not yet really tried to use translatewiki.net, so it's no surprise that the results have been unsatisfactory. I would suggest to give it a try for real, for instance with a trial of 3-6 months. If the communication/coordination problems continue to be so pressing, then they can be acted on (as opposed to letting them stew for 18 months or so without any sign to the community of translators).

Nemo (talk)20:05, 17 September 2019

Just to be clear, we've made our decision, so while I appreciate the suggestion to engage more thoroughly with Translatewiki's tools as a way to address our problems, we have already decided not to. I started this thread to notify you, to thank you, to ask how best to attribute you and all the translators, and to answer any questions you might have.

Also, we have not had alternative translation platforms for the web since we started collaborating with Translatewiki (we have used Crowdin for the mobile apps, but only started using Crowdin for the web today). Our partners in Mexico had been using Translatewiki, and ultimately they got tired of the constant negotiation and asked us to stop accepting new es-MX translations from Translatewiki. Changes like the one you cited were me over-writing es-MX changes from Translatewiki by copying over that file with the copy from master, not the result of an alternative translation system. My apologies to TW translators that have been left in the lurch by doing so.

Kueda (talk)21:10, 17 September 2019

We wish you the best in your future endeavours. Thank you for your use of translatewiki.net in the past, and thank you for explaining why you're leaving.

Siebrand22:50, 17 September 2019
 
 
 
 
 
 

Hi Kueda,

We've run exports from Translatewiki.net for iNaturalist today, and then removed the project from the list of supported projects. Translators will no longer be able to translate messages on the project, and no exports will be made from Translatewiki.net to the iNaturalist Github repo.

You can remove the access given to @translatewiki Github account

Best of luck for the future.

Regards,

Abijeet Patro (talk)14:52, 19 September 2019

[I understand, but as I said "our suggestion is to give it a try and avoid overthinking things beforehand". If people were making changes like Tú vs. Usted outside translatewiki.net, i.e. without communicating with other translators, that's not a problem with the platform but a social problem. I don't see anything on translating:iNaturalist warning translators to use "Usted", for instance.]

An issue which is also the case with German and Dutch. I ignored it cause changing it is too much work, although Google translate defaults to using Usted...

Optilete (talk)10:25, 26 September 2019