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Thread titleRepliesLast modified
New pages for beginners117:08, 20 May 2017
Help Guide313:13, 30 May 2015
Support/Documentation review410:36, 21 May 2017
Not translated110:00, 29 January 2015

New pages for beginners

We have added a few new pages to help beginners. To that we suggest that Translating:Getting_started is merged with Translating:How to start and that Project:About is moved to Translating:Introduction to translatewiki.net for consistency. Please check out the pages linked from Template:BeginnerInstructions to see if they make sense and are coherent and understandable.

Ainali (talk)17:07, 29 May 2015

Done. Is what said at Thread:Support/Help Guide still valid?

Nemo (talk)13:11, 30 May 2015
 

Help Guide

Hi everybody,

I've been thinking a bit about how to make our instruction pages easier to find and use. I have seen a need for this when I have been organizing translate-a-thons for new users (as part of my work at Wikimedia Sverige). A draft is started on User:Jopparn/Help guide and I would love comments and ideas. Next week me and my colleague will start writing on the text (the plan is that we start at number 1 and work our down the list).

We have also been working on a number of videos that we would like to include there as soon as subtitles are added (and videos are activated here).

I hope you think that this sounds good. Let me know either way :-)

Cheers,

Jopparn (talk)17:03, 30 January 2015

Thanks for working on this

Nemo (talk)17:29, 30 January 2015
 

How does this connect to the previous Support/Documentation review?

It's not clear to me what you are proposing to do. It's certainly not a good idea to create more pages, while it's good to consolidate existing ones. Generic information (not specific to translatewiki.net) should be on mediawiki.org and not be replicated here. Video are very nice; TimedMediaHandler however still refuses to work with Translate (i.e. to use language-code subpages), will you also be able to fix that bug?

Something I identified earlier as regards Translate's documentation is that mw:Help:Extension:Translate lists help pages by kind of action, while often we need a list/walkthrough by persona/role. "Just" presenting the information better would do a lot.

Nemo (talk)17:38, 30 January 2015

Hi!

Thank you for your questions, and sorry for the late reply! I had a bunch of hard deadlines these last two weeks.

The idea with the document review was to get an overview to see what has been done before and what is still missing. Now when we have the pages structured it's easy to get an overview and figure out how we can now connect them better and consolidate existing ones in a more structured way, and by doing so reduce redundancy and improve clarity.

The help pages will be a good entry point for beginners so that they, step-by-step, can understand the platform and how to contribute. They will mostly connect existing material with short summaries (as is done on Wikipedia's instruction pages). The summaries will make it easier to find the material that exists here or on other wikis (as they will include the keywords that people will search for). When I have organized events to teach newbies on other wikis the value of worked through help pages has been very clear. (The main audience is the translators and not the developers.)

I think that the easiest is to discuss further when we have some concrete examples ready. Hopefully I will have something ready to show you all next week.

Kind regards,

Jopparn (talk)11:17, 16 February 2015
 
 

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We have one review page too, http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/translate-doc

Nemo (talk)16:06, 25 September 2014

To give some context for above, we did that couple of years ago for Translate extension documentation. We moved that to mediawiki.org, expanded it and made it translatable. We did not ever get into doing a similar kind of exercise for translatewiki.net docs.

Nike (talk)16:12, 25 September 2014

translatewiki.net docs were also examined in that pad. They were abruptly removed at some point, but saved versions contain the required info

Nemo (talk)16:18, 25 September 2014
 
 

Hi Lokal Profil, I updated the page. I pruned or merged some pages. I split the list in three. IMHO,

  • there is only about a dozen pages to focus on: they mostly already have all the needed content (the really necessary information is on mediawiki.org help), but they need to be connected better;
  • all the other pages are not worth working on for you, the goal is to ensure they are not in the way (a better separation of namespaces may help, as well as a review of incoming links).
Nemo (talk)19:36, 30 January 2015
 

Not translated

Is there a reason, why this page is not translated to other languages?

Juan de Vojníkov (talk)09:18, 29 January 2015

Yes, the reason is that translating links is generally not that useful and that we've not yet assessed thoroughly what documentation pages should be maintained here and what not. etherpad.wikimedia.org/translate-doc has a list of what we want to check (in the history; see links at the bottom).

Nemo (talk)10:00, 29 January 2015