Translating talk:Intuition

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If you need help or want to make a request regarding the Intuition project, please create a thread below.

Requests such as the following:

Request a new tool to be added

Be sure you pass the following requirements as you follow these 5 steps:

  1. The tool is in a Git repository (or other public location) where the source code can be found (Tools translated by translatewiki.net must be open-source).
  2. To ease the transition from English to multilingual it is recommended you start using the Intuition class in your tool before placing your request here. You can create a local development i18n-file and load it in the class as if it was synced from translatewiki.net to the central i18n directory. Read more about this in the Intuition documentation. By preparing your English messages you will save yourself the trouble of a complicated switch. This way, once it's in translatewiki.net, all you have to do is delete your local file and remove the call to $I18N->loadTextdomainFromFile().
  3. Show users of your tool that it is available in multiple languages and that they should visit the Intuition page to configure their settings. The easier way to do that is to call $I18N->dashboardBacklink() somewhere.
  4. Make a request here by creating a thread (be sure to include an URL to a live version of it as hosted on https://tools.wmflabs.org/)

Original messages

Modify, Delete or Add messages in the source language.

Include the message-key and text-domain of the message and (if a modification is requested) why it should be modified and your proposed change.

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Is this message really needed? Can't it just be set automatically? All it contains is the language code after all.

You'd have to ask the toolserver tool maintainer. We don't know who that is...

Siebrand04:14, 24 July 2012

Should be Jan Luca, see m:CommonsHelper2. I'll ask him.

Nemo (talk)07:01, 24 July 2012

Removed this message: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115620

PS: There is a special page for Toolserver-requests: Translating talk:Toolserver

Jan Luca (talk)07:58, 24 July 2012
 
 
 

Just to verify. Is this the timestamp associated with an upload?

Lokal Profil (talk)12:58, 15 April 2012

That's what the message documentation says. See the tool.

Siebrand10:02, 16 April 2012
 

URL should be in capitals.

Siebrand07:43, 19 March 2012

What does "wiki identifiers" mean here? Is it interwiki prefixes, language codes, or something else?

Probably database names (like enwiki, enwikt, etc.).

Siebrand22:23, 9 March 2012

OK, translated it keeping this in consideration.

सिद्धार्थ घई (talk)04:39, 10 March 2012
 

Actually, it's all of those. See also:

https://toolserver.org/~krinkle/getWikiAPI/

it supports databasenames, language codes, hostnames and urls and some others as well


PS: I've updated Toolserver:Getwikiapi-label-wikiids/qqq

Krinkle (talk)08:19, 10 March 2012

Thanks for updating the doc. The translation I did should be valid in all these cases.

सिद्धार्थ घई (talk)11:59, 11 March 2012
 
 

I think that it should say "Comarca" in English. Catalan and Spanish singular is Comarca. Catalan plural is Comarques and Spanish plural is Comarcas.

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)07:52, 12 December 2011

Fixed. Fixed. Thanks for the report.

Siebrand09:54, 23 December 2011
 

Message text and message documentation do not match and appear contradictive.

Purodha Blissenbach04:26, 27 September 2011

That's a column header in http://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlm/monumentos.php tool. I have expanded the qqq.

Platonides (talk)20:52, 30 October 2011
 

Message text and message documentation do not match, are almost contradictive.

Purodha Blissenbach04:11, 27 September 2011

Another link from the bottom of http://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlm/uploads.php this time to a tool which lists the mouments (the ids), and the number of photographs of each. Since the list is ordered by number of photos (frequency), it also allows you to see the popular monuments. I've just expanded a bit the qqq.

Platonides (talk)20:48, 30 October 2011
 

Both the message text, and the message documentation are not helpful to understand what this is about.

Purodha Blissenbach04:08, 27 September 2011

This may need a bit of background about WLM. Wiki loves monuments is about uploading to commons images of monuments. For this goal, lists of monuments were done, from the list of countries heritage monuments. The images had to be uploaded including the monument id (given by the government). The link is to filter the list so that it only shows images which don't have an id present in the lists (a bad id). If you have ideas on a better description, feel free to add it.

Platonides (talk)20:44, 30 October 2011
 

Message text and message documentation seem not to match.

Purodha Blissenbach04:04, 27 September 2011

I understand how this may seem confusing. This is the caption for the link at the bottom of http://toolserver.org/~platonides/wlm/uploads.php linking to commons:Category:Cultural_heritage_monuments_in_Spain

The images should be in a subcategory, so images at the main category (which was the upload default) are uncategorized as in they need to be put in a proper category.

Platonides (talk)20:41, 30 October 2011
 

Needs plural support. Same for Toolserver:catdown-scaling-height/en, Toolserver:catdown-scaling-both/en.

  • , scaled to a maximum width of $1 pixels
  • , scaled to a maximum height of $1 pixels
  • , scaled to a maximum size of $1x$2 pixels
Siebrand16:30, 25 October 2011

Send a mail to author.

Jan Luca (talk)19:25, 30 October 2011
 

Quite a silly preference, but Done Done for Catdown-scaling-width and Catdown-scaling-height. Not done Not done for catdown-scaling-both as I don't see how could you make it agree tiwh the two numeric parameters (in any case, I also added parsemag for that call).

Platonides (talk)19:54, 30 October 2011
 

Needs plural support.

There are $1 images, with an estimated size of $2

Siebrand16:23, 25 October 2011

Send a mail to author.

Jan Luca (talk)19:25, 30 October 2011
 

Seems unlikely to use this tool if there's only one image but Done Done

Platonides (talk)19:49, 30 October 2011
 

Shouldn't the english text read "transclusions"?

Lokal Profil00:25, 23 June 2011

Done Done Well spotted. mwr:93745

Siebrand14:09, 2 August 2011
 

fallback functionality

Does the toolserver have this functionality or should always complete translations be made?

[[kgh]]09:30, 5 June 2011

As far as I know, it has fallback to English (no multi-leveled fallback chains).

Siebrand17:13, 5 June 2011

Thank you for your reply. Thus all translations should be complete, e.g. de-formal, de-ch, etc. It just seems to be a question of necessity.

[[kgh]]20:59, 6 June 2011

If there are "minimal" translations, they should indeed be made completely (or omitted) to be in the language.

Siebrand12:43, 7 June 2011
 
 

The Intuition project has had support for fallback languages since the beginning.

It has current language -> (if available: fallback lanuage ->) English.

However the fallback system is not as complete as MediaWiki's. Currently there are 13 fallbacks defined.

They can be found here

Krinkle22:21, 11 June 2011

Sounds like you might want to write a little PHP script to extract the fallback configuration from MediaWiki to make this work. Shouldn't be too hard... Grep "$fallback" on phase3/languages/messages/Messages*.php.

Siebrand11:34, 15 June 2011

I have updated the fallbacks from MediaWiki Core and added to the repo the used script, too. Please see r90764!

Jan Luca10:38, 25 June 2011

Nice.

Siebrand19:03, 17 July 2011
 
 
 
 

Toolserver Tools - Soxred93: PLURAL template necessary

I think the messages toolbase-replag-years, toolbase-replage-months etc. follow the message toolbase-replag that contains the numerical parameter $1. This parameter requires the PLURAL template in the messages toolbase-replag-years, toolbase-replag-months, toolbase-replag-weeks, toolbase-replag-days, toolbase-replag-hours, toolbase-replag-minutes and toolbase-replag-seconds.

The message toolbase-footer-exactime requires PLURAL template as well.

Michawiki11:37, 19 January 2011

All messages marked as "Toolserver Tools" are no real MediaWiki extensions but toolserver tools (what a surprise ;-)

Therefore they do not support the standard MediaWiki functions like PLURAL & co.

Raymond17:21, 19 January 2011

Thanks. I proceeded on the assumption that all MediaWiki extensions can support PLURAL.

Michawiki20:28, 19 January 2011

Yes, this assumption is understandable.

Raymond14:06, 20 January 2011
 

This is a suggestion made without proper research.

Would it be possible to implement {{PLURAL|...}} in the toolserver messages?

Purodha Blissenbach12:37, 20 January 2011

Please request this feature from the toolserver guys directly. As far as I know every toolserver tool is a stand alone PHP program. I fear every programmers has to implement this feature itself. But nothing Translatewiki can do for you. Sorry.

Raymond14:10, 20 January 2011

Using PHP is not a requirement, so it can be any programming language; me alone using six different ones at least. As I said, no research, isn't there a library delivering strings to programs, which could take the parameter substitution and formatting stuff in a centralized way?

Purodha Blissenbach06:30, 21 January 2011

Not really. Some simple library that could easily be ported to different languages, and which handles plurals, grammar, gender etc. would of course be great. Gettext really isn't up to date when it comes to these things.

Nike09:11, 21 January 2011
 
 

The interface to translate messages of the Toolserver in Translatewiki is developed by Krinkle. As far as I know he tries to implement such features like plural-support at moment.

Jan Luca12:17, 9 May 2011
 
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Last edit: 07:36, 12 June 2011

The goal of the Toolserver Intuition project is mainly two poins:

  • Get translations out there at all, and do it via translatewiki.net
  • Remove the need for programmers to reinvent the messaging wheel (fallbacks, variable replacements, plural, etc.)

There have been i18n projects in the past, but to my knowledge, none of them addressed both of these.

There is a PHP class available on the Toolserver through Intuition that takes care of this, all they do is $I18N->msg( key )

Plural is one of the major features aimed to be implemented with the 1.0 milestone. Another major point is a JavaScript implementation of the PHP class.

Krinkle22:28, 11 June 2011
 
 
 

Maybe this should use the PLURAL thing?

Jean-Fred18:08, 5 June 2011

The « go » that is to be pressed is probably localised too, maybe this message should be used?

Jean-Fred18:06, 5 June 2011
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