Translating talk:MediaWiki

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I can't figure out a meaningful and grammatically correct Estonian translation for show/hide messages like "Rcshowhideminor" that are used on RecentChanges and WhatLinksHere pages. In Estonian the word "Näita" (show) requires the following phrase (e.g. minor edits) to be in partitive case and the word "Peida" (hide) in genitive case. So I suggest these messages to be split into two messages where different cases can be used, "Hide minor edits" and "Show minor edits" instead of "$1 minor edits", similar to Revreview-diff-toggle-show ("show those changes") and Revreview-diff-toggle-hide ("hide those changes").

This problem involves messages Rcshowhideminor ("$1 minor edits"), Rcshowhidepatr ("$1 patrolled edits"), Rcshowhideliu ("$1 registered users"), Rcshowhidebots ("$1 bots"), Rcshowhideanons ("$1 anonymous users"), Rcshowhidemine ("$1 my edits"), Wikibase-rc-hide-wikidata ("$1 Wikidata"), Whatlinkshere-hidetrans ("$1 transclusions"), Whatlinkshere-hidelinks ("$1 links"), Whatlinkshere-hideredirs ("$1 redirects") and Whatlinkshere-hideimages ("$1 file links").

Sort of related: bugzilla:19592 for one "show/hide" message.

Arguably, a full redesign of Special:RecentChanges and Special:Watchlist is overdue. I don't support making high impact localisation related changes to those pages that are not part of that redesign, so I'd say that this is "won't fix".

Sorry, I don't know much about programming. You mean that implementing what I suggest is way more complex than just toggling e.g. [Show minor edits|Hide minor edits] in place of toggling [Show|Hide] and removing what's after (minor edits) as that would be toggled too inside the new messages?

Are there any other suggestions in case of that sort of grammar issues?

Consider using a format that doesn't cause grammatical issues.

A request: Please make your signature link to your user (talk) page. It does not link at all at the moment, so I don't know who you are.

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Tracked at bugzilla:24156 (vote, scream on wikitech-l, create a petition, ...?).

I believe Logentry-rights-rights ("$1 changed group membership for $3 from $4 to $5"), Logentry-rights-rights-legacy ("$1 changed group membership for $3"), and Logentry-rights-autopromote ("$1 was automatically promoted from $4 to $5") should use the {{GENDER:$2|changed}} syntax in the original English message so the translations are not marked as problematic due to unsupported $2, which should be supported in all log entry messages.

Isn't this the infamous bugzilla:24156 whose fix was vetoed by Tim?

Yes. I've added keyword "platformeng". Allegedly that should help.

D’oh! You mean the whole gender support in log entries was reverted? I did not really notice that (except I spotted a few gender removals, but I thought they were special cases). But if that’s the case, {{Logentry}} should be updated as well, because using a quick grep, I found at least 112 messages with “logentry” and “gender” currently committed.

Not the whole support, just {{GENDER}} calls were removed because they were inefficient (apparently they are not anymore but they haven't been restored yet).

I see; the GENDER seems to work correctly (on logentry-rights-*, at least), it was just removed because of a performance issue. All right then, I’ll let it be now, and wait for possible future restoration.