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Someone started to create a page for it, I just categorized it, but that user did not complete the request to open it. I checked that language in the translation tool, it was not available so I marked it explicitly as disabled (for now), until there's some translator requesting it. The warning at top of the page (now correctly setup) can be removed once there are candidates to do that job. Note: Translatewiki.net does not require that the language is enabled in Wikimedia (with at least an incubator), because Translatewiki.net supports various other projects (not all made or supported by Wikimedia). This means that the Mediawki UI also does not require to be translated, if the translation is started for a project not using MediaWiki (e.g. someone requests it for adding translations in FreeCol). But anyway the essential core messages of Mediawiki should be translated to request the addition of an Incubator, in order to test the language correctly with an actual working UI. This requires about 700 messages and can normally be done in a few hours. Candidates for the addition of a new language should be consistant in their request, and it's esier if they find a least a second contributor to review their work and cooperate. And probably Translatewiki.net admins will require these two separate contributors. There's a support page on this wiki to ask for such additions: I do not decide for the support of any language on this wiki. By adding the warning on the page, this includes a link in the message to a page describing what to do to enable a new language. I just checked the provided language name (with the link to the Wikipedia article about it), I checked that the language code was correct and then made some cleanup and basic arrangement to show the actual state of that language. "Sakizaya" is a Formosan language spoken by a minority in Taiwan (I'm not even sure it currently uses the Latin script as it was indicated). There are a couple of others minority languages in Taiwan that ARE enabled.

Verdy p (talk)17:05, 16 July 2019

Hmm. OK, well, the "someone" who started the page was me, in response to m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Sakizaya#January 2019 update. I know nothing personally about the language itself; I just figured creating the Portal page would be helpful. (Note that d:Q718269 claims the Latin script is used, and the current contents of incubator:Wp/szy would seem to support this.)

It looks like the translation efforts currently going on under the "ais" code needs to be moved to happen under the new "szy" code. To this end, I have created Thread:Support/Sakizaya.

See also (if you haven't already) Template talk:Disabled language#Confusing, where I complain about ambiguity in the (English) message of that template. [grin]

dcljr (talk)01:23, 17 July 2019

If you intend to open that language, you should visit the link provided which explains what to do: and this means contacting the site support as instructed on that page (that I did not write: this is the procedure that site admins expect to be followed). It's not me that you must contact (I cannot unlock the language for you), I just helped in cleaning up/categorizing the site and adding the relevant links, to accelerate the process and reduce the site maintenance that admins don't have the time to do completely themselves.

Verdy p (talk)05:11, 17 July 2019

I appreciate the information you have given here, but as I said above, I do not know the language, so I would not be the one asking to "open" it for translation. My followup message was merely to give you additional context and information about things you alluded to in your reply, not a request for assistance from you.

dcljr (talk)22:29, 17 July 2019
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Note that you were the first to "allude" something directly in your first message saying "I assume this is... ?". Then I said "someone" beause I did no tremember who had created the page I had fixed to explicit the fact that it is still not enabled. I've not alluded anything about you when I said "someone", until you told that this was you that created that pager and why.

And to be clear: that's me that you contacted first for this topic before you got to the Support page that I instructed you to visit and where now you have sent a new request (so implicitly you thought that I could provide such support and I told you that I could not do that).

But as you also affirm you don't know that language, I think you still cannot request such addition. So let's wait for an actual translator requesting it. For now your initial page had no value, and you must know that creating a portal page does not mean that it automatically creates the support for that language: the banner is then useful and accurate because it explains clearly what must then be done to enable it. And if you don't know that language, how can you affirm that another existing translation effort made on another language code is incorrect? May be the English name used for that language code is incorrect (too broad): this happens sometimes with macrolanguages, where one major variant has its name commonly used for the whole macrolanguage (wellknown cases: "Chinese" which is a macrolanguage but whose code is used actually for one Sinitic language, Mandarin which is part of the macrolanguage, and not for other parts like Yue/Cantonese, Wu, or Min Nan)

Verdy p (talk)22:40, 17 July 2019

You continue to bring up totally irrelevant points here. I don't know why you are misinterpreting what I am saying, but let me try to make this very clear:

  1. My original message was simply asking for clarification as to why the page had been tagged. (You have, in a very roundabout way, provided a response to that.)
  2. My first reply was only to clarify certain things that you seemed to be unclear about.
  3. I am not trying to request that Sakizaya be set up for translation here. (If I were, I would go through the necessary steps.) And, in particular: I am not trying to get you to do that.
  4. I know that others would be interested in translating it, because of m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Sakizaya. (Please take a look at that page if you have not already—in particular, see the elligibility notice/comment at the very top and the sections "January 2019 update" [which I linked to above] and "Additional comments" at the bottom. This provides context that you still seem to be lacking, based on your remarks here.)
  5. I originally thought that creating the Portal page would be helpful because it did not exist here but was linked to from incubator:Wp/szy (the "Translatewiki.net portal" link). That is literally the only reason I created the portal page in the first place. I was interested in helping to "move the ball forward" on getting the language translated here, but I was leaving it to others to continue the process on their own.
  6. I do not know why others have not (as far as I can tell) taken any further steps to get the language enabled here. I plan to post another followup message about that at m:Requests for new languages/Wikipedia Sakizaya.
  7. The code for Sakizaya, as assigned by SIL in January 2019, is szy. The code ais has been deprecated.
  8. If I am wrong about "ais" not needing translation here, then presumably that will become clear in the discussion at Thread:Support/Sakizaya (which you should also read if you haven't already).

And finally: you really do not have to reply to this comment. I am not asking you for any futher assistance or clarification about this matter. For some reason, you and I are not effectively communicating here, so we can stop now. (But if you want to weigh in at Thread:Support/Sakizaya, feel free to do so.)

dcljr (talk)00:56, 18 July 2019