User talk:Jon Harald Søby

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Latest comment: 1 month ago by Jon Harald Søby in topic Votic translations
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Archiving Support

Hello. With support now using good ol' talk pages, do you think you'll need a bot to regularly archives threads over there? If nobody is willing to, I operate a bot with archivebot.py on Wikimedia wikis which I may be able to run here too if so wished. The script is basic though, but does its job. (By the way, there are a number of inactive users flagged as bot that TWN staff may wish to review). Best regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 16:24, 14 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Yes, I was planning on setting up an archivebot.py myself, but if you already run one and would be willing to set it up for use here, that would be awesome. Will you also create the archiving template the bot needs? Jon Harald Søby (talk) 16:27, 14 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
I can try it, but it may take a while since I'd prefer to use a separate Toolforge tool independent from the one I use for Wikimedia wikis. If you already planned to setup a bot yourself, and since you have a bot approved here already, I think I'll give way. But if you need help with the script, etc. please let me know and I'll be happy to help if I can. Yours, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 16:30, 14 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Per our conversation on IRC today I set up User:ArchiveBot and started configuring the tool server as well. In order to run the tool via the OAuth secure protocol, I'll need temporary admin rights on ArchiveBot for Special:OAuthConsumerRegistration (can be taken back after I've finished) and then I'll be ready to test it. We can talk about this on IRC later. Regards, —MarcoAurelio (talk) 22:59, 23 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

tool for translation

Why does this wiki and wikispore allow us to change languages regardless of whether we are registered or not, while Wikimedia (and Miraheze) projects require login? No se (talk) 18:49, 10 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

@No se: As far as I understand, it is because of caching issues. This wiki (and Wikispore wikis) are quite low-traffic, but for wikis that get as much traffic as Wikimedia's wikis do, changing languages without registering adds a lot of complexity when it comes to caching; instead of having one copy of the page that is served to users, you would have to have hundreds of copies (one for each interface language), and that could potentially slow down the sites. I'm not a caching expert though, so I don't know the specifics. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 14:28, 11 June 2023 (UTC)Reply

Copyright/se

Jeg kan ikke lagre endringen min fordi jeg er ikke administrator: "Sisdoalu sáhttá geavahit liseanssain $1, jus ii boađe eará diehtu." Kan du vennligst oppdatere den :D Kimberli Mäkäräinen (WMNO) (talk) 17:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Kimberli Mäkäräinen (WMNO): Done Done! Jon Harald Søby (talk) 19:21, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply
Tusen takk! :) - Kimberli Mäkäräinen (WMNO) (talk) 22:22, 17 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Votic translations

Hi. I've been looking at the Votic Wikipedia and Translatewiki for the past few days, and I've noticed something worrying: all of the main editors here (Paivud, Andrijko Z., Aig mest ei varasta, 2Q) have also been some of the main contributors on the Votic test wiki on Wikimedia Incubator back in the day, which was confirmed to have dubious quality (proof shown here: https://incubator.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Tamara_Ustinova). Knowing this, plus the fact that none of the contributors seem to even know Votic (some claim to, but it's doubtful knowing the context), the translations here almost definitely contain severe language inaccuracies, which means that all of the Votic translations here should be deleted, considering the very low chance for proficient speaker contributers to come and fix the situation, and the fact that all of this would need to be retranslated anyway. John k. (talk) 18:41, 8 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Jon Harald Søby Hi again, and sorry for nagging, but I simply don't want this message to be ignored. This is a serious request, and it shouldn't just be tossed to the side. Please respond to this as soon as you are able to.
Thank you, and sorry for the possible disturbance. John k. (talk) 16:27, 12 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Hi @John k.! Sorry, I'm not actively ignoring it, I'm just not quite sure how to proceed yet. But yes, it is clear something should be done. I just deleted a bunch of incorrect translations into Southern Sámi from many years ago, and would be willing to do the same for other languages too. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 23:15, 12 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Jon Harald Søby Yeah, I think that mass-deleting all of the translations is currently the best way out, as none of them seem to be made by proficient speakers, plus it's really hard to get proficient speakers to fix it, and considering all of the content would need to be retranslated anyway (incorrect language, plus half of the translations also being outdated) there's no real downside to it either. It's unfortunate, but I think it's the best thing to do. Please let me know whenever you have made a decision. John k. (talk) 05:19, 13 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Jon Harald Søby Sorry again for nagging, I just want to remind you that I have made my vision clear on the issue. Considering that you seem willing to delete inaccurate translations, I trust the fact that you'll be able to work with me on this issue. Thanks and sorry again for disturbing. John k. (talk) 18:15, 15 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
@John k.: No worries. The main issue for me is whether or not some of the translators are ok, or if they're all garbage. For instance, for Southern Sámi, there were some good native-language translators, so I had to make sure not to delete their contributions, while deleting contributions by the main offending contributor.
You've talked about the main editors (first post above), but how about any non-main editors who might actually have made good contributions? Jon Harald Søby (talk) 15:35, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Jon Harald Søby Well, these four editors seem to have made 99% of the translations. I've checked the rest, and they don't seem any more trustworthy, since they were made around the same time and by similar-looking people, so I don't think it's worth it to keep any of them. Of course, I get the worry, but I don't feel like any of these editors are trustworthy enough. Again, let me know when you've made your decision on this matter. John k. (talk) 15:40, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
@John k.: Makes sense. I'll consult with some of the other TWN administrators, and then we'll probably delete it all. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 15:42, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
Alright, thanks! John k. (talk) 15:43, 18 December 2023 (UTC)Reply
@Jon Harald Søby Hello, I know you've been busy recently, but I just wanted to check in on how this matter is progressing. John k. (talk) 21:37, 2 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Jon Harald Søby I apologise for being pushy again. It has been a while since this initial proposal, and I know you've most likely been very busy during all this time, but it would be good to have an update on the situation. John k. (talk) 12:48, 12 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
@John k.: We will get to it, but it is IMO not very urgent, given that these translations have already been present for a number of years. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 13:05, 12 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
Alright, good to know. It's good that you will at least be getting to it. John k. (talk) 13:15, 12 January 2024 (UTC)Reply
@John k.: All translations into Votic have been deleted now. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 15:36, 7 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
@Jon Harald Søby Thank you for your help! One last fairly minor curiosity: I still see some of the translations on the language portal page, for example. I assume they'll eventually change? I'm not very familiar with TW, sorry. John k. (talk) 16:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
@John k.: Yes, it takes some time for the deletions to propagate, but they should disappear after a little while. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 11:03, 13 February 2024 (UTC)Reply
I would say to just junk all of them. It would be ofc possible to ask some Votic experts to assess some of the translations first (I'll send you e-mail Jon), but from what I've seen of these users (and some others), their translations are not worth saving and are likely actually causing harm outside of MediaWiki too since many other places reuse MW translations. The Votic incubator project was deemed garbage already back in 2014 by an expert, so the TW translations are likely of the same caliber. - Yupik (talk) 18:02, 20 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Meänkieli translations

Hey. You deleted the contributions from User:Palmtree222 a couple weeks ago. It also appears that User:Meänmaa2 is his alternate account he has used to do these Meänkieli translations, so you should probably delete translations made by that account too.

It would also probably be a good thing to take a look at the contributions of this person on Wp/fit and other incubator wikis, but that's probably another discussion that should be held further somewhere else. I don't know enough about the exact situation, so I can't 100% advocate for any action currently, but considering the nature of this person, it would be very important to look at their edits and do something about them. Thanks in advance for everything. Kampalafan (talk) 13:31, 22 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

@Kampalafan: Thanks. I've blocked that user and deleted their contributions. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 17:36, 25 December 2023 (UTC)Reply