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Translations using plural in CLDR not using all forms414:06, 18 June 2016
Languages name419:21, 14 May 2012
CLDR rules for Breton on translatewiki.net510:59, 16 March 2012
Difference between CLDR plural rules and MediaWiki plural rules018:42, 29 January 2012

Translations using plural in CLDR not using all forms

According to our newly written documentation on Plural syntax, Plurals written in CLDR or Gettext must always include all the forms available for a language. But a review of the translations of this example reveals that past translations are all over the place, which in the absence of guidance is not surprising.

Can we fuzzy all translations using CLDR and Gettext plurals either in all languages or in just these languages not using the default, and link the comment to the documentation on Plural?

These are the translations which don't seem to follow the forms in the CLDR file on mediawiki:

  • translation doesn't use the forms 'few' and 'many' - be, hr, pl
  • translation doesn't use the form 'many' - ar, arz, ru, uk
  • translation doesn't use the forms 'two', 'few' - br, sl
  • translation doesn't use the form 'one' - hi
  • translation doesn't use the form 'few' - lt
  • translation doesn't use the form 'few', 'many' but extra unnamed form in both sr-ec and sr-el
  • in tl the translation doesn't use 'one'. It uses 'sero=' instead of 'zero=' and there is no 'other' form
  • hsb and dsb use 'zero', 'one', 'two', 'few', 'other' although they are not mentioned on the CLDR list.
  • translation uses 'one' although this form is not defined on CLDR - hu, ja, ko, ms, tr, vi, zh-hans, zh-hant

Most of the translations, and the English source, use the form 'zero' regardless of whether 'zero' is included as a form for that language at CLDR.

Lloffiwr (talk)22:23, 9 March 2012

Yes we should definitely do something about that. Unfortunately it is not high priority for us.

Nike (talk)07:51, 10 March 2012

No sweat.

Lloffiwr (talk)10:17, 10 March 2012

Lloffiwr, opinions on Siebrand's assessment below?

Nemo (talk)14:06, 18 June 2016
 

I think we're now using only CLDR plural rules, and MediaWiki no longer has any language specific overrides, unless the plural forms for a language are not known in CLDR. Correct? If so, this issue can be closed as resolved.

Siebrand17:39, 7 October 2013
 
 

Languages name

Where are languages names provided which we can get by {{#languages:xx|yy}}. I noticed that names of lot wikipedias languages are lacking in Esperanto. See w:eo:Ŝablono:Lingv/komparo1 (all red names). Thanks Arno Lagrange d 16:59, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Arno Lagrange d16:59, 12 May 2012

Hi Arno. These are made available through CLDR data, the Common Locale Data Repository of the Unicode Consortium.

Siebrand17:21, 12 May 2012

I tried to ask. I'm waiting for a result. Arno Lagrange d 23:19, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Arno Lagrange d23:19, 12 May 2012

Where did you ask?

Srl295 (talk)19:20, 14 May 2012
 

Where did you ask? (oops, sorry for the duplication)

Srl295 (talk)19:20, 14 May 2012
 
 
 

CLDR rules for Breton on translatewiki.net

The CLDR plural rules for Breton downloaded to the translate extension (rule S) is different to the rule listed at CLDR itself. Needs fixing?

Lloffiwr (talk)19:08, 9 March 2012

Niklas?

Siebrand22:25, 9 March 2012

I assume it has changed, just run the cldr-to-yaml script to update it.

Nike (talk)07:39, 10 March 2012

Doesn't have great documentation. It has some prerequisites that are unknown to me.

Siebrand23:11, 10 March 2012

It has

/** Script to format CLDR plural definitions to more usable format.
 * plurals.xml from core.zip must be in the current directory.
 * The script will output plural-CLDR.yaml into current directory.
 */

Needmore?

Nike (talk)14:20, 15 March 2012
 
 
 

Does mwr:114006 fix it?

Nike (talk)10:59, 16 March 2012
 

Difference between CLDR plural rules and MediaWiki plural rules

A thread, Thread:Talk:CLDR/Difference between CLDR plural rules and MediaWiki plural rules, was moved from here to Talk:Plural. This move was made by Nemo bis (talk | contribs) on 29 January 2012 at 18:42.