User talk:Bangrapip

Betawi configuration

Hi!

Thank you for your translations into Betawi!

Your language is now mostly ready for being used as a user interface language, but it requires a big more configuration.

First, what is the fallback language? That is, if a message is not translated into Betawi, should it be shown in Indonesian, Malaysian, Javanese, English, or some other language?

In addition, how should the name of the language be shown? Does it have to be written as "Bahasa Betawi" or is "Betawi" enough? Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 12:38, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi!

Thank you for helping me to edit some mistakes related to the programming language.

The fallback language should be Indonesian. As for the original name of the language, it is "Basa Betawi", but the English form of the name, I propose as "Batavian" as I have also already addressed CLDR on https://unicode-org.atlassian.net/browse/CLDR-16729. However, the original name of the language is "Basa Betawi".

Thanks! Bangrapip (talk) 13:54, 8 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. Can it perhaps be written just as "Betawi"? Some languages of Indonesia omit the "Basa" or "Bahasa" word, and just write the name, for example "Jawa", "Bali", "Sunda". Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 13:10, 11 June 2023 (UTC)

Ok, it is okay. Bangrapip (talk) 06:34, 12 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi!

I would like to ask. I would like to do a Betawi translation for Wikipedia and Wikimedia interfaces. Besides MediaWiki core project, which projects should I translate?

Thank you. Bangrapip (talk) 09:22, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I've just put a list of links to recommended projects on your user page. I recommend going through that list from top to bottom.

Thanks a lot for your work! Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 09:33, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the information! Bangrapip (talk) 09:34, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi!

Sorry for chatting again. I am currently translating MediaWiki:Copyright/bew. However, the translation cannot be saved and it says "Publishing the translation failed: You do not have permission to edit this page because it contains raw HTML which can be modified to affect all visitors." What should I do? Thanks. Bangrapip (talk) 10:25, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

No problem at all :)

There is a technical problem that prevents translation of some messages by people who don't have administrator rights. Just write the text here as a reply to this message, and I'll post it for you. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 10:40, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you very much. Here is the text:

Isi kesedia di bawah $1, kecuali ada catetan tambahan. Bangrapip (talk) 12:29, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Done. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 13:45, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi again!

I am currently translating Discussiontools-preference-sourcemodetoolbar-help/bew. However, it says "Publishing the translation failed: [fa1e8f3a8fc976e8f022209f] Caught exception of type Wikimedia\Rdbms\DBQueryError". What should I do? Can you help me to add the translation in Betawi as this:

Ni bakal nambahin palang peranti ke mode sumber balesan lekas èn penambahan topik lekas nyang nyerèntain jalan pintas bakal ngaru-ngaruin orang èn nambah sènggètan.

Thanks! Bangrapip (talk) 13:24, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

This is a bit strange. It was not supposed to happen with this message. Maybe it happened because there was a server upgrade a few minutes ago. Can you please try again? Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 13:45, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Wait a minute, let me try. Bangrapip (talk) 13:46, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay, it works. Thanks. Bangrapip (talk) 13:46, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Betawi is now available as a user interface language

Hi!

Good news: Betawi is now enabled here on translatewiki and also on the Wikimedia Incubator as a user interface language!

You can switch to it like this:

• On the desktop: by clicking the language name at the top of the screen next to your username. (Currently, it's probably "English" or "Indonesia"), and then searching for "Betawi" in the panel that will open and clicking on "Betawi".
• On a mobile phone on the Incubator: Go to incubator:Wp/bew and click "Set Betawi as your user interface language".

As you have requested, things that aren't translated are shown in Indonesian (if they are translated into Indonesian; if not, they are shown in English.)

I recommend selecting Betawi as your language and using it to test whether the translation works well. If you find anything that could be translated better, you can do it here. If anything is difficult, ask me any time :) Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 13:51, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi!

Thank you for notifying me! Glad to hear about this. I'll contact you in any case I find any problem.

Regards. Bangrapip (talk) 14:00, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi!

Sorry for chatting again. I'm just curious when I look at some of the languages name in https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:MessageGroupStats&language=bew&group=mediawiki. Some of them are translated to Indonesian. I'm curious, in any case I want to change translate the language name to Betawi, where could I do this? Thank you. Bangrapip (talk) 14:15, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

I think that these names are translated in CLDR. It's complicated, but possible.

I currently see it as "Betawi". How do you see it? Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 14:24, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Ah, I see.

I mean, I saw like Old Church Slavonic is translated to "Bahasa Gerja Slavonia" to Indonesian. I was just curious whether there is possibility to translate these names to Betawi as the interface is already in Betawi.

So, it's related to CLDR. Then, no problem. Thanks for the answer. Bangrapip (talk) 14:33, 14 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Amire80!

Sorry for chatting you again. I have two questions:

1. Related to localisation, in any case of translation update, how many times in a week (probably) will the keys (with the translations) be updated?
2. Probably this is not related to this field, however I still need to ask. I am currently developing Wikipedia for Betawi on Incubator. But, there are still a lot of missing templates. I have an intention to solve this. What are the templates that should be made on our incubator page? Thanks.

Bangrapip (talk) 07:48, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

1. Everything you translate here is copied to the source code almost every morning. Everything that is translated before Monday morning is subsequently deployed to the sites later in the week. It's usually deployed on the Incubator on Wednesday evening and on Wikipedia in most languages on Thursday evening ("morning" and "evening" refers to Europe). If you need to fix something extremely urgently, you can ask an administrator to edit in the "MediaWiki:" namespace, but please do it as rarely as possible.
2. It is indeed not related to translatewiki, even thought I wish it was at least a bit related! It should be as easy to localize templates as it is to localize extensions on translatewiki (see this page for much more info about this). Unfortunately, with the current technology, using templates that are available in other languages is very hard. You can try asking for assistance at the Incubator's Community portal.

Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 08:11, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for the answer. Bangrapip (talk) 08:14, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Can't translate some keys

Anyway, I am trying to translate several keys, such as (of course there are more):

1. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-heading-description/bew
2. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-heading-syntax/bew
3. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-heading-result/bew
4. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-page-format/bew
5. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-page-link/bew
6. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-page-heading/bew

The error message says: For security reasons, it may be impossible to translate this message on translatewiki. If you cannot submit a translation, please contact an administrator. See task T294760 in Phabricator. What should I do? Thanks. Bangrapip (talk) 08:09, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

The problem here is similar to what happened with MediaWiki:Copyright, about which complained earlier on this page.

Just send me the translations here, and I'll post them. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 08:13, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Okay, let me list:

1. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-heading-description/bew Jabaran
2. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-heading-syntax/bew Lu punya tulis
3. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-heading-result/bew Lu punya dapet
4. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-page-format/bew Pemormatan
5. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-page-link/bew Sènggètan
6. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-page-heading/bew Kop
7. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-page-list/bew Daptar
8. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-page-file/bew Berekas
9. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-page-reference/bew Ruju'an
10. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-page-discussion/bew Perhadring
11. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-italic-description/bew Doyong
12. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-italic-syntax/bew ''Tèks doyong''
13. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-italic-result/bew <em>Tèks doyong</em>
14. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-bold-description/bew Tebel
15. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-bold-syntax/bew '''Tèks tebel'''
16. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-bold-result/bew <strong>Tèks tebel</strong>
17. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-bolditalic-description/bew Tebel &amp; doyong
18. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-bolditalic-syntax/bew '''''Tèks tebel & doyong'''''
19. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-bolditalic-result/bew <strong><em>Tèks tebel & doyong</em></strong>
20. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-ilink-description/bew Sènggètan dalem
21. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-ilink-syntax/bew [ [Judul halaman]]<br />[ [Judul halaman|Lèbel sènggètan]] – here I add an extra space, since it can't be copied here unless I add an extra space after the first bracket
22. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-ilink-result/bew <a href='#'>Judul halaman</a><br /><a href='#'>Lèbel sènggètan</a>
23. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-xlink-description/bew Sènggètan luar
24. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-xlink-syntax/bew [ http://www.conto.org Lèbel sènggètan]<br />[ http://www.conto.org]<br />http://www.conto.org – here I also add an extra space after the first bracket
25. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-xlink-result/bew <a href='#' class='external'>Lèbel sènggètan</a><br /><a href='#' class='external autonumber'>[1]</a><br /><a href='#' class='external'>http://www.conto.org</a>
26. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-heading2-description/bew Kop trap 2
27. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-heading2-syntax/bew == Tèks kop ==
28. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-heading2-result/bew <h2>Tèks kop</h2>
29. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-heading3-description/bew Kop trap 3
30. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-heading3-syntax/bew === Tèks kop ===
31. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-heading3-result/bew <h3>Tèks kop</h3>
32. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-heading4-description/bew Kop trap 4
33. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-heading4-syntax/bew ==== Tèks kop ====
34. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-heading4-result/bew <h4>Tèks kop</h4>
35. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-heading5-description/bew Kop trap 5
36. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-heading5-syntax/bew ===== Tèks kop =====
37. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-heading5-result/bew <h5>Tèks kop</h5>
38. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-ulist-description/bew Daptar poinan
39. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-ulist-syntax/bew * Butir daptar<br />* Butir daptar
40. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-ulist-result/bew <ul><li>Butir daptar</li><li>Butir daptar</li></ul>
41. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-olist-description/bew Daptar nomoran
42. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-olist-syntax/bew # Butir daptar<br /># Butir daptar
43. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-olist-result/bew < ol><li>Butir daptar</li><li>Butir daptar</li>< /ol> – Again, here I put and extra space after in ol's
44. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-file-description/bew Berekas ketanem
45. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-file-syntax/bew [[$1:Conto.png| – Here, I delete the rest, since only variables and can't be copied here
46. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-file-caption/bew Tèks keterangan
47. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-reference-description/bew Ruju'an
48. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-reference-syntax/bew Unfortunately, I can't copy this here. Please help me to change "Page text" with "Tèks halaman"; "http://www.example.org" – "http://www.conto.org"; "Link text" – "Tèks sènggètan"; and "additional text" – "tèks tambahan"
49. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-reference-result/bew Here as above, "Page text" – "Tèks halaman"
50. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-named-reference-description/bew Ruju'an nyang namanya
51. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-named-reference-syntax/bew as 48 (I'm sorry I can't copy this. It automatically renders to the function)
52. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-named-reference-result/bew as 49
53. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-rereference-description/bew Pemakéan lagi ruju'an nyang sama
54. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-rereference-result/bew as 49
55. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-showreferences-description/bew Pampangin ruju'an
56. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-showreferences-result/bew <ol class='references'><li id='cite_note-test-0'><b><a title='' href='#'>^</a></b> <a rel='nofollow' title='http://www.conto.org' class='external text' href='#'>Tèks sènggètan</a>, tèks tambahan.</li><li id='cite_note-test-1'><b><a title='' href='#'>^</a></b> <a rel='nofollow' title='http://www.conto.org' class='external text' href='#'>Tèks sènggètan</a></li></ol>
57. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-signaturetimestamp-description/bew Tèken èn stèmpel waktu
58. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-signaturetimestamp-result/bew --<a href='#' title='$1:Username'>Nama pemaké</a> (<a href='#' title='$2:Username'>obrolan</a>) 15:54, 10 Juni 2009 (UTC)
59. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-signature-description/bew Tèken
60. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-signature-result/bew <a href='#' title='$1:Username'>Nama pemaké</a> (<a href='#' title='$2:Username'>obrolan</a>)
61. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-indent-description/bew Penjorogan kedalem
62. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-indent-syntax/bew Tèks biasa<br />:Tèks kejorog<br />::Tèks kejorog
63. MediaWiki:Wikieditor-toolbar-help-content-indent-result/bew Tèks biasa<dl><dd>Tèks kejorog<dl><dd>Tèks kejorog</dd></dl></dd></dl>

Sorry, if it is too much. Thanks! Bangrapip (talk) 09:31, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll go over it. --Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 08:21, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

OK, I think I did it all. However, it's quite a lot, so please review it using this link:

https://translatewiki.net/w/i.php?title=Special:Translate&group=ext-wikieditor&language=bew&filter=&optional=0&action=proofread

And it's not too much. I already did it for several language. It's unfortunate that there's no better way to do it at the moment. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 09:41, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

I've just checked it! It's done. Thanks a lot! Bangrapip (talk) 11:16, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi!

I found more keys with similar problem. I kindly ask you for a help.

1. MediaWiki:Feedback-terms/bew Gua paham kalo gua punya inpormasi wakil pemaké nyerèntain inpormasi pasal gua punya pèrsi pengorag èn sistim operasi èn bakal didumanin ke halayak umum di samping gua punya empan balik.
2. MediaWiki:Feedback-termsofuse/bew Gua akur bakal nyediain empan balik cèngli bedasarin Ketentuan Pemakéan.

Thanks in advance! Bangrapip (talk) 11:37, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Also this:

1. MediaWiki:Search-thumbnail-extra-namespaces-message/bew Mampangin longokan bakal $1 { {PLURAL:$2|ruang nama}} di halaman { {#special:search}} – I added an extra space after { here.

Thanks again. Bangrapip (talk) 11:41, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake. MediaWiki:Search-thumbnail-extra-namespaces-message/bew can be translated by me. Thanks. Bangrapip (talk) 11:42, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Done, please check. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 13:52, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Done! Thanks a lot. Bangrapip (talk) 14:00, 18 June 2023 (UTC)

Main page

Hi!

Sorry for requesting again. I'd like to make a change in MediaWiki:Mainpage/bew, but it says:

"This action has been automatically identified as harmful, and therefore disallowed. If you believe your action was constructive, please inform an administrator of what you were trying to do. A brief description of the abuse rule which your action matched is: Established MediaWiki "main page" translations cannot be changed directly as it would disrupt wikis using the old translation. You can request changes in Support."

Could you please help me to change the text into: Balé-balé

Thanks Bangrapip (talk) 02:23, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Done.

As the error says, that message is protected because changing it may cause links to the main page get broken in established. But thia language was added to MediaWiki very recently, and there are no established wikis in it yet, so in practice, it's not a big deal to change it now.

In general, your translation activity here has been amazing! Great work! Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 06:52, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Thank you! Bangrapip (talk) 06:59, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Hi, sorry for disturbing your time. I am making several revisions. Could you help me to change these, because it says : For security reasons, it may be impossible to translate this message on translatewiki. If you cannot submit a translation, please contact an administrator. See task T45646 in Phabricator.

Here are the revisions:

MediaWiki:Copyright/bew : Isi derak di bawah $1, kecuali ada catetan tambahan.

Thanks Bangrapip (talk) 13:56, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 20:51, 13 January 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Bangrapip (talk) 14:49, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi, sorry to take your time. Could you please edit: Wikimedia:Wikipedia-android-strings-edit quality/bew from Kualitèt %s to Kebagusan %s ? Thanks. Bangrapip (talk) 09:32, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

If I understand correctly, you did this already. Was there a problem editing it earlier?

Also, it's not actually used anywhere. Are you changing Kualitèt everywhere? :) Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 11:52, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I thought it wasn't changed, because I searched Kualitèt %s and it was still there. And turns out, it's already changed now. Forget it. Appreciate so much for your responsiveness. Bangrapip (talk) 12:58, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Anyway, is there any further consideration regarding my request to add Petjoh [pey] as an interface language? Thank you. Bangrapip (talk) 12:59, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Petjoh will be added very soon. Thanks for the patience. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:52, 5 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much.

Bangrapip (talk) 09:39, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi,

In case you haven't seen it, Petjoh is enabled. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 21:06, 17 February 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I appreciate so much your help. Bangrapip (talk) 03:35, 18 February 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Amire80. Could you please help me to change:

1. MediaWiki:Connected-redirect-category/bew to: Pengalihan nyang kebungsel ke barang {{WBREPONAME}}

Thanks Bangrapip (talk) 02:36, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

 Done

I generally recommend asking for this at the Support page because here and not privately. When asked privately, it can easily go unnoticed. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 02:52, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Ah, okay. Thank you for the information. Bangrapip (talk) 03:11, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Namespaces

Hi,

Please see https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wp/bew/Bal%C3%A9-bal%C3%A9#Namespaces .

Thanks :) Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 03:30, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi,

As requested before, I've translated the namespaces into Batavian/Betawi.

However, the namespaces (as I see here) are still in Indonesian and not changed into Betawi. I'd like to confirm whether the translations of namespaces are already imported into the Wikipedia or not.

Thank you. :)

Bangrapip (talk) 12:11, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Oh, sorry, I didn't notice it. I'll update it ASAP. You should see it in the Betawi Wikipedia next week. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 12:41, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. Bangrapip (talk) 12:45, 17 May 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Amire80

Sorry for taking your time. I'd like to inform that the namespaces are already updated. But, we encounter several problems:

1. The number of article seems decreasing (from 2500 to 2339).
2. Many pages (with namespace prefixes are not redirected automatically), such as https://bew.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Istimewa:Statistik&action=edit&redlink=1 (supposedly, this is the statistic page).
3. Files with the prefix ''File:'' are still not moved to the new translated prefix.

I'd like to ask whether the moving process is already completed or still or in progress.

Thank you Bangrapip (talk) 10:22, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

About #3: it's probably because files should be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons. Local storage of files is usually not enabled on new languages.

I recommend asking about the other things at incubator:Project:Community Portal. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:15, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for your help. Bangrapip (talk) 22:55, 23 May 2024 (UTC)