User talk:Amire80

Hi. Can I ask for a little help. In MediaWiki:Wikibase-rcfilters-hide-wikibase-description/sl there is a {{WBREPONAME}} that shows English name instead of Slovene. Shall I rather use {{MediaWiki:Wikibase-repo-name/sl}}? --Janezdrilc (talk) 12:12, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Janezdrilc (talk)

Hello Amir, how's life?

This is with me Fikri, greetings from Indonesia. I would like to ask you to help me enable and active the localisation for Rejang language. Its ISO code is rej. Actually, we have a little project about language's preservation through the usage of wikipedia's incubator. Your help will be helpful and help us a lot.

I truly thank you for your kindness and attention.

Anok kutai jang (talk)

Hi,

I wanted to check a couple of things to be sure that I'm configuring it correctly. Are there any other websites in this language? Or any online materials at all?

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)

Hi, Amir. Thanks for such a positive reply. So sorry if I contacted you a quite late. We had many festivities here to celebrate the Eid Ul-Fitr. There are several online materials of this Rejang language. There are also several blogs created by Rejangs fellows, they either use Indonesian, Rejangs, or English.

Here you go (list of online materials and websites/blogs related to Rejangs language)

1. https://www.omniglot.com/conscripts/su6tang6njang.htm
2. https://www.omniglot.com/conscripts/su6tang6njang.htm
3. http://sealang.net/sala/archives/pdf8/mcginn2002where.pdf
4. http://eprints.upnyk.ac.id/5561/
5. https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/4e85/ae3cbb8e1670e0864b6610ba9d5d21cc2da6.pdf
6. https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/86c0/307000cf6f8c300c6f20e1fc851bea8bb6d6.pdf
7. https://www.researchgate.net/publication/324136557_Peribahasa_Bahasa_Rejang
8. http://download.portalgaruda.org/article.php?article=144372&val=4013
9. https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/948f/a28ae3d34abd9cc485f3a7c84fcec1d447c3.pdf
10. http://www.unicode.org/versions/Unicode10.0.0/ch17.pdf
11. https://joshuaproject.net/people_groups/14537/ID
12. http://repository.unib.ac.id/7511/1/Wacana%202.pdf
13. https://media.neliti.com/media/publications/120307-ID-pengembangan-model-mata-pelajaran-muatan.pdf
14. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/canadian-journal-of-linguistics-revue-canadienne-de-linguistique/article/anti-ecp-effects-in-the-rejang-language-of-sumatra/15E1AECB372B0498AB16CA15CA22052B
15. http://eprints.umm.ac.id/3834/1/KAJIAN_FOLKLOR_SUKU_REJANG_BENGKULUMELALUI_LAGU_DAERAH.pdf
16. https://rejang-lebong.blogspot.com/2011/11/folk-song-taneak-tanai.html
17. http://taneaktanai.blogspot.com/2012/05/temimo-tamu.html
18. http://taneaktanai.blogspot.com/2012/05/sukau-jang.html
19. http://visitingrejanglebong.com/menilik-tradisi-di-tanah-rejang/
20. https://anoktunjang.wordpress.com/2018/02/25/puisi-bahasa-rejang-oi-tan%c9%95ak-tanai/
21. http://tatacarapinangansukurejang.blogspot.com/2016/10/lirik-lagu-serta-arti-makna-suku-rejang.html

And for the bonus, this is the link to reach the incubator of Rejangs Wikipedia -> https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/rej/Main_Page

DO not hesitate to reply this message. For your attention, I truly thank you.

Anok kutai jang (talk)

Hi!

Thanks for all the links.

There's a major difference that I see between the text in the incubator and all the other links you sent me: The Incubator frequently uses the letter "ɕ", and I don't see it anywhere else. Can you explain this please?

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)

Hello again.

The Ak’saro Rikung (literally means lines by the knife) or popularly known as “Kaganga” or "Surat Ulu" was use to write Rejangs from as early as 1.300 AD. Ak’saro Rikung groupped by scholar with other scripts from neighboring languages in South Sumatera into one group called as “Surat Ulu” (literally means upstream scripts). This abugida is widely believed to be evolved from some Indic scripts used in Sriwijaya Kingdom. After the colonialisation of British and Dutch, and resistance of Dutch aims to re-colonise Indonesia which lasted till 1960s led to the degradation of literacy rate amongst Rejangs. Then Rejangs is to be seen just as a “spoken language”. Even some Rejangs itself considered the language as hard to be written.

Unofficially the ak’saro Rikung itself was later replaced by the Latin alphabet. The usage of Latin alphabet is easily seen in some newspapers, chat through the internet platform or sms. However official standard how to write Rejangs in Latin alphabet is never been passed by Badan Musyawarah Adat (BMA), which serves as de facto Rejangs institute. So we can say that until this day, there was no standard written form of Rejangs .

Then I and some of my senior high school friends try to communicate with as many stakeholder as we can about the mandatory of the Standard Rejangs written in Latin alphabet. You know, Indonesia is acknowledged just one language (Indonesian) to be the official, national, and standard language, used in various formal situation. After that we can say that many Indonesian vernacular languages including Rejangs will be diminished by nature, as parents now turn into Indonesian to speak with their children instead of Rejangs. From this objection we want to get involved in preservation of our mother tongue.

When we know that wikipedia has a feature called as incubator, we are trying to reach it and use it as the one alternative way to preserved Rejangs language. Our ambition grow stronger and stronger after seeing that Gorontalo was becoming the newest of 10 languages in Indonesia presented in wikipedia.

The last point, about the letter "ɕ", as Rejangs is never has its own standard to be written in Latin, people seems to write it normally as they write the phrases in Indonesia. But, Rejangs is rich in vowels and diphtongs as cited by McGinn in one of his paper. The usage /e/ in Indonesian that is being replicated to represents Rejangs sound of /ə/ and /e/, also /əi/ and /ei/ will create a major headache. So we proposed to use the letter "ɕ" to represent the /ə/ symbol.

Here is the example

1. Upeak means old midrid or old gloves of the areca nut (in Rejangs language we called it "pinang"). Pronounce as u.peak. Upeak means tip or wage. Pronouce as u.pəak. For this word, we proposed the letter "ɕ" so it could be write as upɕak.
2. Uleak means result of work, harvest, or production. Pronouce as u.leak. Uleak means work, effort, or problem. Peonounce as u.ləak. For this word, we proposed the letter "ɕ" so it could be write as upɕak.
3. Seak means penis. Pronounce as seak. Seak means move on, shifted, or stand up. Pronounce as səak. For this word, we proposed the letter "ɕ" so it could be write as sɕak.
4. Pet means bitter. Pronouce as pet (same as an English word of "pet"). Pet means place, about, concerning, or toward. Pronouce as pət. For this word, we proposed the letter "ɕ" so it could be write as pɕt

Honestly, the motive behind the usage of "ɕ" is from our experience encountering Rejangs materials printed. Those materials created a headache for us that considered as native speaker. We afraid that many other non-native will not be able to read and grasp the meaning properly. But we also acknowledge if we did not teach people about the letter "ɕ", what we have done in incubator will be useless as long as people can not understand it.

So sorry for such a long reply. Thanks.

Anok kutai jang (talk)

So is it your own proposal? Is it used anywhere else?

And why ɕ and not ə or é? The letter ɕ is not used as a vowel—it's a consonant, Voiceless alveolo-palatal fricative.

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)

Hello, good evening and greetings from Indonesia. I am a native speaker or Rejang language from Sumatera Island, Indonesia. When I know about his translatewiki.net I am so excited to become a translator for my mother tongue, but unfortunately I could not find it around all supported language. Then I realised that Rejang language is not supported yet, so I want to ask you for help me (us) to activate and enbale Rejang language (ISO 639-3 rej) so I and other users which speak Rejang language can do a translation as soon as possible.

If you need any information about Rejang, here we go. 1. Rejang historically written in aksara Rikung, our native script. But nowadays, the usage of aksara Rikung seems obsolete, since it has been already replace by the Latin or Roman script. 2. Rejang has no institution that serve as guardian or a legal organization for creating such a standardization of spelling, etc. 3. Rejang is written in horizontal line, from left to right.

For your kindly attention, thank you so much. Have a nice day.

Anok kutai jang (talk)

Hello, Amir - nice seeing you here! (I just joined a few hours ago to do some necessary maintenance in ZU.) I'd appreciate your clarifying your reversal of my recent edit: I'd understood that Hebrew doesn't permit prefixing the preposition "from" (as the letter [mem]) to the definite article attached to a noun, i.e. מן המניין rather than מהמניין. It's a fact my formal study of Hebrew ended decades ago and never got beyond an intermediate level, so perhaps I'm mistaken. -- Deborahjay (talk) 13:56, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Deborahjay (talk)

Hi,

Thanks for joining! It's supremely awesome that you're taking care of Zulu translations!

As for your question: No, there's nothing wrong about using מ־ before an article. It's much more common to use מ־ than מן in modern Hebrew. The full-word מן preposition is only used in some expressions, such as מן הסתם "obviously". מן המניין is also such an expressions, for example in ישיבה לא מן המניין — "an extraordinary meeting", but even this expressions is sometimes written as "מהמניין", and there's nothing wrong about it.

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)

Aha - helpful explanation, good to know. Considering my relative strengths (e.g. proofreading) vs. weaknesses (i.e. lacking authoritative command of "my" acquired languages), I'll focus my reviewing on matters of consistency, e.g. "דף" for "page" rather than "עמוד". And I remain in awe of your capabilities and the scope of your contributions! -- Cheers, Deborahjay (talk) 15:42, 12 March 2018 (UTC)

Deborahjay (talk)

No problem, thanks!

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)

When the Montenegrin language will be available on the transle wiki?

Ookuninusi (talk)

???

Ookuninusi (talk)

HI, do you know why they have not yet activated gcr so that I can start translating what needs to be translated ???

LeGuyanaisPure (talk)

Sorry it took so much time. I'm not sure why was it so delayed. I started the process for doing this. It will be available soon.

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)

Hello.Please make me translation administrator for a day for testing.Thank you

ديفيد (talk)

What's the purpose exactly?

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)

testing

ديفيد (talk)

אשמח לדעת איך לעדכן את השינוי שביצעתי פה כך שיחול בוויקיפדיה העברית בעת הוספת פסקה ריקה.

Uziel302 (talk)

Hi, Amir. Can someone please move on this? Their test Wikipedia is still mostly stubs, but they are now meeting the activity requirement and seeming to want to get this going. Thanks.

StevenJ81 (talk)

Done.

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)

Hello Amire80 , I would like to know if you can add my language to translatewiki.com The code of my language is qwh

Michaelobregon (talk)

Hello Amire80 , I would like to know if you can add my language to translatewiki.com The code of my language is qwh Michaelobregon (talk) 20:42, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Michaelobregon (talk)

Why my language is not part of the active languages, without that I can not translate anything in Kréyòl Gwiyanè (Guianan Creole) !!!

LeGuyanaisPure (talk)

זה נשמע מוזר. בעיות נשמע יותר ברור.

Uziel302 (talk)

כי זה לאו דווקא בעיות, ובאותה ההרחבה מופיעה גם המילה problems, וזה באמת „בעיות”.

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)

Dear Saraiki Skr and Saraiki Skr_arab are same. So Skr-arab be deleted and merged in skr. And Interface language list of internationalization of Wikimedia and other sites Skr_arab be deleted please. and Saraiki skr سرائیکی be enabled in translatewiki.net Saraiki (talk) 18:13, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

Saraiki (talk)

MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-opt-in-explain/he

תודה.

Uziel302 (talk)

תקלה ידועה בעדכון תרגומים בכל האתרים. אמור להיות מתוקן מחר

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)

"The name "Wikimedia Commons" is a trademark in English, and must not be translated." But although a little unlikely, if there's really a country which also registered "translation(s) of Wikimedia Commons" as trademark(s), then where should we clarify that case?

Liuxinyu970226 (talk)

Yes.

I wrote this qqq under the assumption that "Wikimedia Commons" is a trademark only when written in English like this. This assumption is probably correct, but if anybody has a good reason to think that it isn't, then the qqq must be changed accordingly. I am not a lawyer :)

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)

אשמח להסבר על עריכתך זו, בדפי הסטטיסטיקה זה נראה שנוצרים מצבים בהם מופיע צפייה אחת במקרים של צפיות רבות.Uziel302 (talk) 13:59, 10 March 2017 (UTC)

Uziel302 (talk)

תודה

התרגום נראה לי נכון, אבל נראה שיש איזו דפיקות בקוד

דיווחתי באג

https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T160248

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)

שוב תודה על הפניית תשומת הלב שלי

זה תוקן באתר

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)

שלום אמיר. אני חושב שבתרגום שלך השמטת כמה מילים. טקסט המקור הוא No typo correction. No accent folding. Strict matching. אתה תרגמת אותו ל: ללא תיקון שגיאות כתיב. התאמה קפדנית.

מדומני שבתרגום השמטת את החלק של No accent folding. האם זה בטעות או במכוון?

Guycn2 · ☎

סתם טעות, תודה על הפניית תשומת הלב

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)

תודה על התיקון.

Guycn2 · ☎

היי אמיר, שאלה טכנית ברשותך לגבי ההודעה שבכותרת: האם נכון יותר לכתוב "לשלוח אליי דוא"ל גם על עריכות משניות בדפים ובקבצים" (שים לב ל-ב' המודגשת)?

Guycn2 · ☎

התשובה הקצרה היא „כן”.

התשובה הארוכה היא שזה נכון למיטב זיכרוני, וזה גם מוזכר בפסקה „שימוש חוזר במילות יחס” בדף ויקיפדיה:לשון, אבל כשאני עונה לשאלות כאלה, אני אוהב להסתמך על מקורות כתובים חיצוניים, ואינני יכול לעשות את זה עכשיו כי אני בחו״ל והספרים שלי לא לידי.

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)

תודה רבה. תהנה בחו"ל :)

Guycn2 · ☎

שלום אמיר, יש לי שאלה בנוגע למילים Assign ו־Assignment. אלו המילים שהכי מציקות לי בתרגומים. מה התרגום המתאים עבורן? "להקצות"/"הקצאה" או שיש משהו טוב יותר? לדוגמה, איך היית מתרגם את זה?

Guycn2 · ☎

אני בדרך־כלל כותב „הקצאה” או „שיוך”, אבל אני לא כל־כך יודע מה ההרחבה הזאת עושה (למרות שתרגמתי חלק ממנה!!)

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)

אוקיי, תודה רבה על התשובה :) שבוע טוב

Guycn2 · ☎