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I'm checking that message, because some translations have translated "Notices" by "Messages" or "Posts".

I've used a translation engine to see if they were no other inaccurate translations and the translation in your language seems not to be accurate. I may be wrong if the tool I've used is wrong. Can you check it?


Trizek (WMF) (talk)15:46, 18 July 2016


The three words "Notices", "Messages" and "Posts" are all translated the same in my language (Hebrew). The Hebrew word is "הודעות".

Guycn2 · 19:55, 18 July 2016

Thank you for your answer.

"Notices" in notifications groups all Notifications that are not as important as the ones in alerts. Is there any way to have a small difference between "messages" and "notices"? People may not understand why they have messages both in "alerts" and "notices", especially when they have seen it in the previous configuration.

Trizek (WMF) (talk)09:58, 19 July 2016

English has a variety of different words: Alerts, Notices, Notifications, Messages, Posts.

In Hebrew we only have the two following words:

  • "הודעות": This is the most appropriate Hebrew translation for "Notices", "Messages" and "Posts".
  • "התראות": This is the most appropriate Hebrew translation for "Alerts" and "Notifications".

Which English word(s) are used for the red badge, and which one(s) are used for the blue badge? I agree that the current division of notifications is extremely confusing and unclear, especially in Hebrew.

I've invited another translator who is more expert than me to join this discussion.

Guycn2 · 11:37, 19 July 2016

Red badge is "alerts", blue badge is "notice".

You can see the definitions and the distribution of the most common notifications in the documentation. Labels used on that documentation page are using the translations we are discussing about.

Trizek (WMF) (talk)14:13, 19 July 2016

I'd add a bit more detail.

There are indeed too few words in Hebrew for such things, so we have to overload words with several meanings. It might be a problem for other languages, too.

A good translation for "Post" is "רשומה". It definitely works well for something like a blog post, and it's also used in Flow. I'm not sure about which context you are talking here, however.

"Message" can be "מסר", and it works well in instant messages, for example in Twitter's private messages. But I'm not sure that it's very good for messages on talk pages, which are longer.

"Notice" is definitely "הודעה", not much to discuss here.

"Alert is definitely "התראה".

"Notification", in general, should be "הודעה", but when I was translating this a few months ago, I got some clarifications from Echo developers and liaisons and decided to give it the same name as "Alert" - "התראה". If it's changing now, I'd like to know how exactly.

It would super-ultra-extra-useful to have a glossary of all the Echo terms. Not just for Hebrew, but for all languages.

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)18:54, 19 July 2016

AFAIK, the Echo extension only uses three words: "Alerts", "Notices", and "Notifications".

IINM, "Posts" and "Messages" are not used in this extension.

"Alerts" refer to the red badge (), and "Notices" refer to the blue badge ().

"Notifications" is a general word that includes both "Alerts" and "Notices". This is actually the special page (Special:Notifications) that shows all kinds of notifications, i.e. both alerts and notices.

In Hebrew we have a problem, because "Alerts" means "התראות", "Notices" means "הודעות", and "Notifications" means either "הודעות" or "התראות". This results a confusing duplication, because this way the translation of "Notifications" must be similar to either "Alerts" or "Notices". Currently, it is similar to "Notices", as the special page in Hebrew is called "הודעות", while the blue badge is also called "הודעות".

Guycn2 · 21:08, 19 July 2016

Yeah, that's the issue more or less.

Months ago at the previous change I carefully went over all the messages and made it consistent. I had to be repetitive because we don't have enough varied words. I am fine with doing it one more time if needed, but I'd really appreciate a glossary that everybody can use. And of course it will be OK to update this glossary when needed.

Amir E. Aharoni (talk)14:18, 20 July 2016

If you translate "Notice" by "הודעה" and "Alert" by "התראה", that fine.

Translate "Notification" by "הודעה" is not that confusing, because Alerts are the most important Notifications.

Amir, speaking of glossary I think T129088 is for you. :)

Trizek (WMF) (talk)15:05, 20 July 2016

Any updates? Thoughts?

Trizek (WMF) (talk)16:14, 27 July 2016
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The likely issue could be in Chinese (both Simplified and Traditional), because for both "notice" and "notification", we also have the same translation "通知". That means, without investigating the structure of Echo extension we can't translate them correctly, therefore I translate "notice" in Echo as "一般通知" (i.e. general notice).

Liuxinyu970226 (talk)01:13, 21 July 2016

As I've explained on that thread, translate "Notification" and "Notice" both by "通知" is not that confusing. The most important is to have Alerts identified as the the most important Notifications. I'm just wondering about the difference between "Messages" and "Notices/Notifications", which is quite different.

In any case, we haven't managed to find a term perfectly translatable, despite the fact that we speak 12 languages in our team (with a lot who have that "Notices/Notifications" nuance, I'm afraid).

Trizek (WMF) (talk)07:20, 21 July 2016