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Proposed script for [crh-ro] Dobrujan Tatar

The Cyrillic script is proposed to be added to crh-ro.

→ code: crh-cyrl-ro

→ native name: татарша

→ name: Dobrujan Tatar (Cyrillic script)

Thank you --Zolgoyo (talk) 15:02, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

Shouldn’t the native name also include some reference to Dobruja? Of course, the “Cyrillic script” part is not necessary in the native name as it’s obvious from the fact that it’s written as татарша and not tatarşa, but is also the region obvious from the spelling to any Tatar speaker (both Dobrujan and other)? —Tacsipacsi (talk) 10:25, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

In Dobruja is only the name "tatarşa" used, there is no specific regional name actually. Zolgoyo (talk) 17:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Vicuña Uploader

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Vicu%C3%B1aUploader points to https://github.com/exander77/vicuna rather than https://github.com/yarl/vicuna and also says `This branch is 21 commits ahead of, 89 commits behind yarl/vicuna:master.`

Oct 31, 2021 is the last commit to the canonical, May 3, 2022 for the fork.

It does seem it still works, but does seem somewhat abandoned on both upstreams... Reedy (talk) 23:48, 9 September 2024 (UTC)

RE: Hinglish as a new language or variant

(Really sorry for abandoning the topic. I may have dismissed the notification and then forgotten about it.)

Replying to @Amire80:

> Why is it necessary for Hindi? I realize that it is hard for some people to type in Devanagari, but is it hard to read?
The answer is yes. In fact, Devanagari being hard to read is probably one of the major factors driving users away from using Hindi as their locale.

Also, since hi-hinglish was disqualified for not having a valid ISO code among others, the next best alternative is hi-Latn which is listed on Unicode CLDR. My understanding is that only the language variant policies would apply to it, in which case it satisfies the first condition. ~Saurmandal 20:59 15:29, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Are there any other websites that have full user interface or edited content in Hindi in the Latin alphabet? (I know that it's frequently used for informal messaging, but that's something different.) Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 12:37, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Fully translated websites? I don't think so. But as stated in my original request, the Indian Google Pay app has functioning Hinglish locale. I understand the need for an existing precedent because it's not commonly seen localised into, but Hinglish is so rarely used outside of the informal setting (users instead opting for English), it's also just not worth localising into. ~Saurmandal 21:29 15:59, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Well, exactly, and that's why I'm not so comfortable about enabling MediaWiki localization into it. MediaWiki is for things that are perhaps not the most formal in the world, but they are still more formal than casual text messages. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 20:40, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Okay then, I suppose I'll try to get a few things going for it first. ~Saurmandal 11:35 06:05, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Username change

hallo!! ^^

can someone change my username to Əkrəm Cəfər? tia :3 Erayreperit (talk) 17:41, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

@Əkrəm Cəfər:  Done Jon Harald Søby (talk) 08:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

This language is disabled

The following page

https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Category:User_tig-N

displays the following message:

This language is disabled: not yet enabled, no longer supported by translatewiki.net, or no longer exported.

Please don’t translate to this language unless you're working to resolve the issues it was disabled for. — Support

Discouraging potential contributors to translate in this language Bbeshir (talk) 14:49, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for reporting this mistake. I've fixed it.

Thank you very much for your translations into Tigre! Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 14:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Babel category template

Following up on the discussion right above this one: Is the {{Babel category}} template needed at all? If I understand correctly, those categories are automatically created when languages are added, and a user can go to other numbers by simply navigating the category tree. If this category exists, it has to be added to more category pages as languages are added, manually or by a bot. It would be justified if it was actually useful, but as far I can see, it's not useful, and it should be deleted. Are there other opinions? Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:18, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, it is needed.

The categories are created automatically, and the template is added upon creation by User:Babel AutoCreate (see its latest creations) these days, after I created this and this page locally here on TranslateWiki. Before I did that, the only text in the categories that Babel AutoCreate made was "Users in this category indicate their knowledge of language $1.", with no categorization. (Verdy would usually add the template after the categories were created.)

So the template is beneficial because it automatically categorizes babel categories for us, without any human intervention necessary. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 18:28, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Oh, so it's already automatic? Nice. And does it need that "disabled" notice? I understand why it's useful on the portal pages, but is it useful on those categories? Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 18:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

@Amire80: No, probably not, so I've removed it just now. However, the 'disabled' parameter (that made that notice appear) also enables the categories Category:User disabled languages and Category:User disabled languages without translators. I'm not sure if those categories are useful at all, and marking stuff as disabled or not adds manual maintenance overhead, so I'm inclined to remove that too. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 21:56, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

I don't think it's useful. You can get this information through portals. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 21:58, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Nice. I've removed the categorization and deleted those (now-empty) categories just now. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 10:47, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!

Curiosity: Because of the previous question about these notifications, I added a step to the language adding procedure, to mark that category as not disabled.

Now that you've deleted that parameter, I wanted to remove that step, and discovered an "Unbreak Now!" bug along the way. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 14:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

MediaWiki:Babel-template-params-category (all translations)

I just noticed that FuzzyBot added the hash character on that page, This causes the category (and the translations that contain that) to incorrectly change from "Pages using babel with named parameters" to "Category:Pages using", because it does not support that character (although it is curious that the correct category is linked to this user's page even though it shows the wrong one), If not fixed many wikis (including enwiki) will display the category incorrectly and lead to confusions :(. No se (talk) 06:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Uh-oh, that's probably my fault. I'll check this ASAP. Thanks for the note. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

Fix: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/c/mediawiki/extensions/Babel/+/1072905

Thank you again for bringing this up! Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:24, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done. Everything should be fixed now. Thanks to @Reedy for getting the patch merged and to @Raymond for auto-fixing the broken translations. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 11:49, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

Add Northern Ndebele language

Zimbabwe librarians are working on the Northern Ndebele Incubator and want to work on localization of Wikipedia's software into our language. The language code of our language is "nd" The name of language in the language itself is "IsiNdebele seNyakatho" Sichelesile (talk) 15:17, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 18:12, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

{{GENDER:}} with no variable

What is the thing with {{GENDER:}} where no variable is given, like in this message? It's not the first time I'm noticing this, but in most cases I went around it by using some gender-neutral form. Ponor (talk) 11:56, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@Ponor: When no variable is given, that means GENDER will be adapted to gender of the user that sees the message.

I don't speak any Croatian, but to me the translation in MediaWiki:Discussiontools-replywidget-placeholder-reply/hr doesn't seem correct; it changes the word suradniku/suradnici (which means "associate" according to Google Translate), but based on the gender of the user who is viewing. Your gender normally doesn't affect the gender of others… 😅

Based on the translation, I believe the correct translation for Croatian would be:

{{GENDER:|Odgovor}} {{GENDER:$1|suradniku|suradnici|suradniku/suradnici}} {{BIDI:$1}}

There is a GENDER on the word "reply" because some languages (like Arabic) need to conjugate verbs differently based on the gender of the person one is speaking to. Most languages don't do that, so if your language is like that, you can just keep the same structure as in the English message. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 20:22, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@Jon Harald Søby, thanks, good to know what the variable-less GENDER does. What I remember is that in most messages with GENDER that I've seen, a $2 would be used for {{GENDER:$2|}}, and another variable, $1, to print the user's name.

In this message, "Reply" is a noun (hr:Odgovor) that does not depend on anyone's gender, which should be followed by "→" (dative case) {{GENDER:$|him|her|~them~}}.

I've noticed that BS translation has what you're proposing, but I don't think it works: when replying to User:Kukac here, I'm getting the ~them~ part (regardless of my chosen gender, unlinke the current HR case). This is probably a bug, i.e. needs a code enhancement. What say you? Ponor (talk) 21:11, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

@Ponor: For the bs translation, it doesn't sound like a bug to me – it sounds like the user Kukac hasn't set their gender in their preferences. If Kukac would set their gender to either male or female, the message would change, but it wouldn't change if your gender changes (but that's what would happen with the current hr message).

As for different variables ($1 and $2), that is usually done when one of them is a link. So $1 = [[User:Example|Example]], while $2 = Example (because {{GENDER:}} doesn't work when you use the version with a link). In this specific message (Discussiontools-replywidget-placeholder-reply), there's no link, so you can use the same variable for both display and as an argument to GENDER. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 07:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Sorry to contradict again, @Jon Harald Søby... I'm still trying to figure this out. You're right, {{GENDER:|m|f|n}} depends on the reader's gender. I'm hoping that no one on hrwiki will get upset, but I made a local message [1], and I'm testing it here with my sec. account that has its gender set to fem. I'm getting the neutral form now for both me (Ponor) and her (Ponorić). Is there a special place (tag) for reporting this on phabricator, you know? Ponor (talk) 14:19, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

@Ponor: You are right, it doesn't work as expected. The reason is that GENDER works differently for PHP and for JavaScript, and this is JavaScript code. If you could file a task in Phabricator with the tags #Gender-Support and #DiscussionTools, that would be great! Jon Harald Søby (talk) 16:11, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Reported at phab:T375293. Ponor (talk) 18:13, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

User name change

I would like to update my user name to this one, as I did in all Wikimedia projects, check this out. Thanks in advance. Patafisik (talk) 16:23, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

@Una tantum:  Done Jon Harald Søby (talk) 14:40, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Enabling Northern Mansi

Hello! I would be eager to contribute to translations, I know that isn't much, but maybe I can get others to help as well. The Mansi wiki incubator sees some activity from now and again, maybe people will be willing to help with this too, mns is the ISO-3 code, just in case. Ewithu (talk) 18:27, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

How well do you know the language? Your user page says "mns-1". We already had a few cases of people who supposedly contributed in languages of Russia that are spoken by very few people, and it turned out that they don't actually know the language, and their translations were wrong, and we had to delete them.

I totally support the idea of developing those languages, and I don't care that they have few speakers, but it should be done well. If you are in contact with native speakers, and you check that the translations are actually good, then I'm happy to enable it. Otherwise, let's wait for native speakers to turn up. Thank you for understanding. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 00:15, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I've been studying Mansi for around 3 years, I also picked up Mansi as an elective at uni, I have contact with the languge professor there directly. I have previously picked up communications with native speakers, working at Luima Seripos, the newspaper of Mansi. Sadly themselfs can't contribute due to them being too busy. Contact with them is spotty at best and absent at worst, due to their judgemnt of foreigners as of late. And as far as I could tell, there are very few or any native speakers on Wiki projects, or in online spaces where I'm in. Young speakers are even more rare, and even if they say they are natives, they might not have the proficenty of one, at least that's what the proff told me, wish I could site this, but she didn't give us her resoursec. I've been reading the languge book written by Svetlana Rombandejeva on Mansi grammar, and my speaking skills, are not intemediate, I think they are little over basic in regards of reading. Though my vocab needs work for sure. I understand the implications, and I will accept if my request will not come to fruition. Ewithu (talk) 08:40, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

OK, I'll enable it, but please be responsible about it: if you don't know something, skip it and ask a native.

What should the name of the language be? I see "ма̄ньси" in Ethnologue, but "ма̄ньщи" in the newspaper. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 14:33, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much. I would say we should keep "ма̄ньси", since I'm more used to writing the languge in the сь version, and that can be considered the official way to write the literary language. I found the document adressing this on Ob-Ugric institue, but can't remember how I stubled uppon it. Ewithu (talk) 16:05, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

OK, I'm working on it.

Do you have a convenient way to type Cyrillic with the special letters, like а̄ and Ӈ? If not, I can make a keyboard for it. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 03:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

We use a phone keyboard, HeliBoard has Mansi (Western and Northern too) support, and it can write а̄ and Ӈ. For PC I don't have any yet though. I could try to map the macron letters to my Hungarian keyboard where I have íáúó though. If you would do the keyboard thing, that would make it tremedously easier to do things for sure. Ewithu (talk) 09:45, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Please turn off English-based plural rules

Hi, for the longest time we're finding creative ways to localise in order to get past the English-based rules. Odia, my primary language, does not obviously follow how plural nouns are written. For instance, ୧ଟି ସେଓ (one apple) and ୫ଟି ସେଓ (five apples) are grammatically correct. It's in fact incorrect in Odia to write ୫ଟି ସେଓଗୁଡ଼ିକ where ସେଓଗୁଡ଼ିକ means apples. [[Wikimedia:Wikipedia-ios-diff-single-header-subtitle-bytes-added/or]] is one example where exact translations of "$1 byte added" and "$1 bytes added" are expected. That means one has to write incorrectly in Odia to conform to English grammar. This is wrong is all aspects. Each language has different syntaxes and grammars. Can I request to turn off plural rules for Odia? Psubhashish (talk) 12:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Updated: @Amire80 suggested to write $1 ବାଇଟ ଯୋଡ଼ିଲେ instead of $1 ବାଇଟ ଯୋଡ଼ିଲେ and that solved the problem I mentioned. Psubhashish (talk) 19:37, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

In a little more detail, when the form is the same for all the numbers, simply write one form: {{PLURAL:$1|$1 ବାଇଟ ଯୋଡ଼ିଲେ}}.

Another comment is that English-based plural rules are actually not used for Odia at all. Odia has its own rules defined. They happen to be almost the same as the English rules, but they are nevertheless distinct. As written above, however, you don't always have to fill all the forms. The rules just allow you to use different forms for different numbers when it is necessary. When more forms are not necessary, simply don't write them.

If there are still issues with plural support in your language, please let us know. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 20:02, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

ma langue

bonjour !

Comment trouver le portail de ma langue le KIHUNDE! Méthodes Bulebe Hangi (talk) 15:16, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Bonjour !

La page que nous appelons le « portail » pour votre langue se trouve ici : Portal:hke. Cette page vous donne quelques informations générales sur la langue.

Si vous souhaitez traduire dans votre langue, veuillez utiliser la liste de liens sur votre page utilisateur sous le titre « Links for Kihunde ».

Je vous recommande de parcourir cette liste élément par élément de haut en bas et de traduire chaque élément complètement. Si vous travaillez avec des amis, je vous recommande de choisir chacun un élément différent dans la liste et de le compléter. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:26, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Add Lingua Libre Django to translatewiki.net

Hello, I submitted a new project on Phabricator. Could someone review / accept it ? Yug (talk) 21:55, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Can I use one credential for log in

Hi,

Tried to use my incubator account on wikitranslate but it is not working. Do I need to have a separate account for each project? If not, why is it not working for me?

Regards

Idris IdrisSeid (talk) 10:04, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the account on translatewiki is separate. Wikipedia (in all the languages), Incubator, Commons, and Wikidata are all Wikimedia sites, and they use the same account, but translatewiki is a separate. Your username can be the same. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification and quick response Amir.

Just out of curiosity, this page shows certain users only ("You are viewing users who have set their test wiki preference to Wp/tig."

Would this have any effect when you do your assessment to graduate Tigre from the incubator?

Thanks

Idris IdrisSeid (talk) 20:11, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

It doesn't matter for that assessment. That setting makes the searching easier for you by including only this language in your search, instead of all the languages on the Incubator, and also makes some other more convenient for the editors. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 00:19, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Request to translate the Wikimeda software into Lango

I would like to translate the Wikimeda software into Lango, and the language code of the language is "laj". Sandra Aceng (talk) 07:16, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Request to translate the Wikimeda software into Acholi

Hello, I would like to request the translation of the Wikimeda software into Acholi, and that the language code of the language is "ach". Sandra Aceng (talk) 14:32, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Request to enable translation in [mfa]

Greetings, this is a request to enable Kelantan-Pattani Malay translation in the interface. The language's ISO 639-3 code is [mfa]. The native name should be Baso Klate-Ttaning for the sake of formality, yet it has many names: Kecek Kelate named by the Kelantan people, Baso/Kecek Taning or Baso/Kecek Nayu by the Pattani people. Thank you. Mirlim (talk) 04:04, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Welcome!

What do you mean by "for the sake of formality"? Is this the most formal name? Do you have examples of its usage on other books or websites? Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 04:19, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Sorry for the late response, we refer to a language with the word 'baso' or 'bahaso' which means 'language', yet we often mention the language as 'kecek klate/taning' but the word 'kecek' means speech/to speak. Here's the article briefly mentioned this as Bahaso Kelate Mirlim (talk) 03:06, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

The word for "language" actually doesn't have to appear at all, unless it's really necessary. For example, Javanese and Komering asked to use the names "Jawa" and "Kumoring" without the word "Basa". Can it perhaps be just "Kelate"?

The only place where I can find the name "Klate-Ttaning" is mfa Incubator itself, and we usually add names of languages only if we have external references. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 13:49, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

The word should be appeared to distinguish with the Kelantan state of Malaysia. Also it should be spelled Klate since the schwa is dropped, creating the consonant cluster. Mirlim (talk) 04:05, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

OK, but this brings me back to the previous question: are there sources whether the name "Klate" is used? (Other than the Incubator.) Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 04:11, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, as in Kelantanese Dialect Glossary, the word Klate used.

Also it should be named as Klate-Ttaning since Patani people also used the language, (the name Taning is used in media social, such as this page, the T is doubled indicating gemination). Mirlim (talk) 04:25, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Where else is it doubled, other than in Wikipedia? That glossary link was quite good—do you have something like this for "Ttaning"? I couldn't find anything myself. Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 04:36, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah here at page 112 (in french). Note that the language is not having any official spelling yet, makes it has various spellings for a word (or name). Mirlim (talk) 04:50, 5 October 2024 (UTC)

Request deletion of translation

• MediaWiki:Rcfilters-quickfilters/zh-hk
• MediaWiki:Rcfilters-quickfilters-placeholder-title/zh-hk

The above messages have corresponding zh-hant versions. They are duplicate messages and should be untranslated.——铁桶 (Talk) 09:37, 3 October 2024 (UTC)